SHU and ETS

[Taylorsloft]

 

I am lead to believe, each pad registers a serial number when a ring is clocked, so surely an observant secretary would notice a non registered pad :-/

 

it does not  

[naedoos]

Does that mean you don`t need the pad inside the loft anymore !!!!

 

The rules haven't changed as far as placing the pad goes, it doesn't need to be sealed in place now!

 

Club officials can still check where the pads are  

[Guest]

Firstly i do not have a problem with ets as it is long distance racing that i am interested in.I think that it would be highly unlikely though not impossible that seconds would come into it from 500 mile racing.But one observation that i have made is the bird that hits the landing board proceeds to trap then becomes shy and flys back onto the roof of the loft.In this scenario that pigeon would be timed if the pad was in front of the trap,But that bird may well not trap for another 5 minutes.In my opinion this is not an acceptable situation and surely the bird should not be registered as timed till it actually enters the loft.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Firstly i do not have a problem with ets as it is long distance racing that i am interested in.I think that it would be highly unlikely though not impossible that seconds would come into it from 500 mile racing.But one observation that i have made is the bird that hits the landing board proceeds to trap then becomes shy and flys back onto the roof of the loft.In this scenario that pigeon would be timed if the pad was in front of the trap,But that bird may well not trap for another 5 minutes.In my opinion this is not an acceptable situation and surely the bird should not be registered as timed till it actually enters the loft.

 

Vincent it's all if's and butts, and as far as i'm concerned when my pigeons hit the landing boards at my loft they are through the ETS traps and in the loft before you can "ETS BLOODY MARVELLOUS" ;)

 

And as Naedoos has already quoted if a club or fed official visits a members loft and the pads are not within the confines of his loft well this then would be a susupension for this loft for cheating. :)

 

PS

Vincent if you do start using ETS make sure you put your pads inside the loft and not out on the landing board, roof tops, bath, car roof, wifes bras or bird tables. :P :P ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)

 

cheers

Gareth ;)

 

 

[hotrod]

well gareth have a look at most if not all these so called ets traps ,the pad is before the bob wires , so in my opinion , which im entitled to , is not in the confindes of the loft.AS vincent has said the bird lands runs towards the trap ,stops at the bob wires , and for whatever reason shy's away before ENTERING THE LOFT ,but with ets it has already been registered as being clocked , but it is sitting on the loft roof sunning its self , and also as vincent say's it PROBABLY does'nt matter at 500 + miles , i tell you what if a bird beat me at these races and was timed by ets i would want it checked (that the pad was inside the loft)when the bird was verified, and if not SORRY THE BIRD WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED END OF STORY. as i have already stated some of my mates have ets and have been told by mr bald (UNICON REP)that the ets pad can be on the landing board as long as its inside the plumb line from front of roof,ie overhang, he's telling fanciers thats the bird home/TIMED.(WRONG). SHOULD BE INSIDE THE LOFT .

[Guest WINGS 04]

are the birds in a stall trap in the loft when the rubber comes off :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[hotrod]

are the birds in a stall trap in the loft when the rubber comes off :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

DONT AGREE WITH THEM EITHER MATE.

[Taylorsloft]

well gareth have a look at most if not all these so called ets traps ,the pad is before the bob wires , so in my opinion , which im entitled to , is not in the confindes of the loft.AS vincent has said the bird lands runs towards the trap ,stops at the bob wires , and for whatever reason shy's away before ENTERING THE LOFT ,but with ets it has already been registered as being clocked , but it is sitting on the loft roof sunning its self , and also as vincent say's it PROBABLY does'nt matter at 500 + miles , i tell you what if a bird beat me at these races and was timed by ets i would want it checked (that the pad was inside the loft)when the bird was verified, and if not SORRY THE BIRD WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED END OF STORY. as i have already stated some of my mates have ets and have been told by mr bald (UNICON REP)that the ets pad can be on the landing board as long as its inside the plumb line from front of roof,ie overhang, he's telling fanciers thats the bird home/TIMED.(WRONG). SHOULD BE INSIDE THE LOFT .

show me the rule that says you have to have bob wires on your trapping system   :P

 

[hotrod]

show me the rule that says you have to have bob wires on your trapping system   :P

 

i never said you have to have them i said that most systems that i have seen have a pad then bob wires , please read my first post.( im not anti ets a lot of my friends have it and swear by it , but some rules on the system's , in my opinion , need to be tightened thats my opinion ,.

[PIGEON_MAN]

It seems to me that a lot of problems are arising with the way  people are reading the rule about the ETS pads,I,m not sure what the actual wording is in the SHU but in the RPRA  to me it is quite straightforward,the antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems not underneath external landing boards.no mention about bob wires,no mention about the bird not being able to fly back out or not after it as been clocked.I have 3 differant traps,1 purchased new from murray and mills,2 a speed trap with bay that I have converted,3 a home made one,all have the same things in commom,the antennaes are all within the confines of the trap or loft,they all have bob wires after the antennae and the bird can fly back up onto the house if it wants after is has been clocked or go through the bobs further into the loft,and the last thing THEY ARE ALL WITHIN THE RULES OF THE RPRA.

[Taylorsloft]

 

i never said you have to have them i said that most systems that i have seen have a pad then bob wires , please read my first post.( im not anti ets a lot of my friends have it and swear by it , but some rules on the system's , in my opinion , need to be tightened thats my opinion ,.

my birds are clocked before they get to the bob wires once they are clocked they can go sit on the house roof if they like  

 

[Taylorsloft]

as far as am concerned people should be able to clock them on the landing board outside the loft if they want .i think ets owners should have a big scanner facing the loft when the pigeon comes home it is clocked .that would cut out people telling lies my bird sat on the roof for 5 mins ;)

[hotrod]

as far as im concerned yous are breaking the rules as birds can clock in but are not in the loft, as you say can clock in and fly BACK ONTO THE ROOF IF THEY LIKE, were /when are they IN THE LOFT?

[hotrod]

as far as am concerned people should be able to clock them on the landing board outside the loft if they want .i think ets owners should have a big scanner facing the loft when the pigeon comes home it is clocked .that would cut out people telling lies my bird sat on the roof for 5 mins ;)

WELL GUYS LIKE YOU SHOULD JOIN THE GUTTY HEN CLUB.

 

 

[Guest redwhiteblue]

WELL GUYS LIKE YOU SHOULD JOIN THE GUTTY HEN CLUB.

 

 

what kind of clock do you have hotrod

[Taylorsloft]

 

what kind of clock do you have hotrod

 

he gets running time  ;D ;D

[THE FIFER]

as far as im concerned yous are breaking the rules as birds can clock in but are not in the loft, as you say can clock in and fly BACK ONTO THE ROOF IF THEY LIKE, were /when are they IN THE LOFT?

 

CORRECT m8

[Taylorsloft]

i cant beleave there are so many thick plonkers on here ;D ;D

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

well gareth have a look at most if not all these so called ets traps ,the pad is before the bob wires , so in my opinion , which im entitled to , is not in the confindes of the loft.AS vincent has said the bird lands runs towards the trap ,stops at the bob wires , and for whatever reason shy's away before ENTERING THE LOFT ,but with ets it has already been registered as being clocked , but it is sitting on the loft roof sunning its self , and also as vincent say's it PROBABLY does'nt matter at 500 + miles , i tell you what if a bird beat me at these races and was timed by ets i would want it checked (that the pad was inside the loft)when the bird was verified, and if not SORRY THE BIRD WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED END OF STORY. as i have already stated some of my mates have ets and have been told by mr bald (UNICON REP)that the ets pad can be on the landing board as long as its inside the plumb line from front of roof,ie overhang, he's telling fanciers thats the bird home/TIMED.(WRONG). SHOULD BE INSIDE THE LOFT .

 

 

Have you got a shu rule book Stuart because if not get one and read the rules on ETS, never have I seen a rule that allows a pad on the Landing board as long as it is within the over hang of the loft roof. Poppycock i have been at many lofts and i have still to see that yet, my own ets pads are inside ets trapping system inside my Sputnik and when the pigeon registrars it is within the locking mechanism of the Sputnik which is within the cubic airspace of my loft. You also have a problem with Stall traps which have been in operation for well over 25 years at the rate your going you'll have us all running to the post office to time in. :P :P :P ;)

 

PS Before the get disqualified you better tell your mates to read the rules of the SHU ETS because it is quite simple to understand.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

as far as im concerned yous are breaking the rules as birds can clock in but are not in the loft, as you say can clock in and fly BACK ONTO THE ROOF IF THEY LIKE, were /when are they IN THE LOFT?

 

Do the SHU rules state that the bird as to be in the loft to be clocked,RPRA says the antennae as to be but no mention of the bird.

[JADE]

 

what kind of clock do you have hotrod

 

i think he runs to the post office

[hotrod]

yes  i run to the post office , but would still beat the lot of you even with this handicap ;)and no gareth i havent got an shu rule book , whats wrong with this forum CAN'T ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ,but everone and his dog with ets jumps on his back. STUFF THE LOT OF YOU.             RED/WHITE AND BLUE i have a t3

[hotrod]

i cant beleave there are so many thick plonkers on here ;D ;D

 

i take offence  with this remark , i hope i dont ever meat you somewhere as im like an eliphant dont ever forget.so please dont EVER CALL ME A THICK PLONKER.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

yes  i run to the post office , but would still beat the lot of you even with this handicap ;)and no gareth i havent got an shu rule book , whats wrong with this forum CAN'T ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ,but everone and his dog with ets jumps on his back. STUFF THE LOT OF YOU.             RED/WHITE AND BLUE i have a t3

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 8) 8) 8)

[Taylorsloft]

 

THANK YOU FOR THAT ITS TRUE

 

with this remark , i hope i dont ever meat you somewhere as i WILL BUY YOU A PINT   dont ever forget.SO DONT EVER FORGET THAT I AM A THICK PLONKER.

WORRIED ;D PS I NEVER CALLED YOU A PLONKER .IT WAS EDITED I DONT USE NICE WORDS