East winds

[BLACK W F]

phil £6 for 20  birds weather you go or not  is more than a fair price the fancier knows his cost per week  the fed knows what the min intake is  thats good sense    at the end of the day what can you get for £6 a couple pints   i would say thats pretty good  and would look after future costs

[Guest]

as the thread has changed towards racing costs and not east winds i'll add a bit!

When i moved here it was the first time i had come accross the system our fed uses, every flying member in the fed pays a flying fee each week, £6 for 20 birds and 10p a bird over that. This mean the fed know how many members they have and exactly how much money will be coming into the fed each year. If you choose not to send you still pay so those who do send are not subserdising others as they will also be paying!

This means the fed will never get into financial problems wether 10,000 or 10 birds get sent evrything is still paid for.

 

For some reason it was blown of course ( )? Getting back to the east wind, I think you'll find the ace sprint men send in an east and win. A sprint man not sending cause it's got east in it is a bit like the distance man saying I'm not sending to the National beacuse it's going to be a blow home or it's going to be a 7 day holdover . You send your horses for courses pigeons, a bit like horse racing, your pigeon that can only win in heavy going you put away and bring out the won that can only win when the going is fast or vice versa?

[pjc]

 

For some reason it was blown of course ( )? Getting back to the east wind, I think you'll find the ace sprint men send in an east and win. A sprint man not sending cause it's got east in it is a bit like the distance man saying I'm not sending to the National beacuse it's going to be a blow home or it's going to be a 7 day holdover . You send your horses for courses pigeons, a bit like horse racing, your pigeon that can only win in heavy going you put away and bring out the won that can only win when the going is fast or vice versa?

 

 

Its all relative, the choice of a fancier to send or not is there choice, if mine arn't ready they won't go simple, I won't send them and hope.

But if the majority of members in a club/fed decided not to send each week the fed would be broke by the end of the year and every member would be expected to pay a levy to recover the cost.

The way we do it means every fancier has a choice, north, south, east or west wind, 100 or 600 mile race if they send or not the future of the organisation is ensured!

 

[breakaway]

most losses in a east wind   seem to be from lofts or birdswhich arent race fit  the pigeons will fly at lower speed to compensate for the lower temperature  Most of the top flyers that i know go easy with yearlings?   hope this helps

[Guest IB]

I agree that when racing comes round, provided the birds are both ready and fit, they go - irrespective of wind or weather forecast (that's why we have a race control team).

 

Also agree that temperature is important, as is visibility, here an east wind will bring both down, its a grey misty day today, birds still exercise in it no bother, but don't see the point in trying to train in it, first race is Saturday, and there's a long season ahead.

[anthony.1]

ta for the replies to my question. I have given them grit and treating for cocci. I only have 5 cocks and six hens so should be ok for the weekend. I never gave them grit as i was told it interferes when you medicate, Is that true?

[Guest bigda]

as the thread has changed towards racing costs and not east winds i'll add a bit!

When i moved here it was the first time i had come accross the system our fed uses, every flying member in the fed pays a flying fee each week, £6 for 20 birds and 10p a bird over that. This mean the fed know how many members they have and exactly how much money will be coming into the fed each year. If you choose not to send you still pay so those who do send are not subserdising others as they will also be paying!

This means the fed will never get into financial problems wether 10,000 or 10 birds get sent evrything is still paid for.

 

that's the best  Ive heard, that's  the  most sensible  approach for any fed  that way you catch all the  back sliders  and  dodgers  that  always  seem to land with more birds  than is on there sheet we have  about 450 - 500 members  i would make it £8 per race  for 20 birds and 10 p there after

[DUBLINFLYER]

East winds are forecast for this weekend - for some of you - it will be your first race - what will you be sending ?

 

Last year around this time we had East winds for several weeks

so if you don't send your yearlings - when do you send them ?

 

Its only another 5 weeks for me to the first channel race - 320 miles

 

lets get back to the original question.... WHAT WILL YOU BE SENDING? we'll be sending 34 in total 28 yearlings 2x3 year olds  4x2 year olds best of luck

[Guest]

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[Guest bigda]

with east winds,   its up to you   some have it from behind some have it on the  beak ??) and some  have it  from the side ;D  your the man you judge it your self, and you know yer birds  that will handle it,   if in doubt leave them out :-/

[Chris Little]

Zero, all staying at home

[Roland]

I fly distance only... Ok my choice. But what choice do I have when majority vote in one payment for all races regardless of birds sent  :-/ :-/ None. So then they say 'But for the distance races over 400 they will not count  :-/ :-/

So though not interested, like a  few more in sprint and Middle I have to substiside their races? Surely  - as last season I sent 10 to Thurso full stop, and no y/b's Cost in real terms £150. I must be a cheap skate too. Paid again this year.... but hopefully will race a bit more, and also y/b's which I personally have little to no time for.

So my gripe is 'S fine for me to help pay for your races, but it's Tough crap and bully for us and stuff you regards your races'?  :-/ :-/ :-/

Should be that of the £128 collected for the season's races it should be £134 and ALL races regardless what distance.

A fair minded and realistic club of genuine members would vote (should vote) that way! :o

[hotrod]

ta for the replies to my question. I have given them grit and treating for cocci. I only have 5 cocks and six hens so should be ok for the weekend. I never gave them grit as i was told it interferes when you medicate, Is that true?

yes its supposed to be true but ive had pigeons for 32 years and my birds always have grit in front of them, only once(during the winter when the birds arent out) i threw out the old grit and forgot to top up the box ,and in a week the birds droppings changed colour to green once i had noticed about the grit and sorted it the droppings went back to normal good luck this week anthony. being last there is only one way to go and thats is up( the result.)

 

[REDROCKET]

we'll be sending at least 40  20 at £8 and 20 at £2 lol(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)

[Guest bigda]

we'll be sending at least 40  20 at £8 and 20 at £2 lol(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)

 

that would be good for you, and the fed, if we had 18 of our own races, 500 members at £10 per race x 18 races £90,000

for fed  transport  cost,    with  Â£64,000,  guaranteed   just about.  i think the sprint men might vote for that  at the next agm,     here's  hoping  better that than £9.50 per basket, it will keep the dodgers  from  picking  and choosing  :-/

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

lets get back to the original question.... WHAT WILL YOU BE SENDING? we'll be sending 34 in total 28 yearlings 2x3 year olds  4x2 year olds best of luck

 

 

they've played me up today - so the s*dding lot can go

[chrissyboy]

Good advise Roland, knocks the yearlings a Ne wind , better jumping them when wind changes , learn from the past  

[Roland]

None.... and Bigda I have paid regardless whether I send of not. No problem there then.... :-/ :-/ But the others SPRING AND Middle distance Boys won't pay an extra couple of quiddies for me, and other distance men to sen. Now Bigda just who is paying the piper  :-/ :-/ ... We certainly are not getting the tune we paid for, and definately are bolstering up theSprint boys, and the Middle distance men. As a club member, fully paid up member EVERY member should have, and are entitled to the say priveledges and benefits as ANY one else. Seem the sprint boys not only want their cake and eat.... we distance boys help pay for it!

[REDCHEQHEN]

Its not true in most cases Roland

 

certainly in the UNC - the distance races are subsidised by the sprint races

 

[Guest bigda]

what  do you mean roland, if all members pay  Â£10 per race  whats the problem,  if the  go or dont,  thats the rule i would  vote for,  if you dont go you still pay  fair  as the race programe is made up in advance,   just say its a bit like the  football  you pay a  season ticket,   you pay a season ticket to your club £180 =  18 races  with 20 paid birds     and the rest at 10p         got it

[REDCHEQHEN]

what  do you mean roland, if all members pay  Â£10 per race  whats the problem,  if the  go or dont,  thats the rule i would  vote for,  if you dont go you still pay  fair  as the race programe is made up in advance,   just say its a bit like the  football  you pay a  season ticket,   you pay a season ticket to your club £180 =  18 races  with 20 paid birds     and the rest at 10p         got it

 

I'd go with that - we pay 60p per bird 55 - 200 miles

 

then it just goes up and up after that

[Guest spin cycle]

i'll be sending arond 24-30...the forecast is for a ne wind....i need west(dizzy). no yearlings yet...i'll wait 'til mid may as i'd rather have good educated 2y/os. if that makes me a 'woos' so be it as (touch wood) i havn't sent for a stray yet. it's now 4 years since i started and i would like to leave 'averages' alone now and specialise in 250- 400 mile races out of scotland....but the club result will still be an important 'benchmark'. i guess this is 'middle distance'. i've joined nrcc and i look at the map and i'm nervous as hell

[Guest bigda]

 

I'd go with that - we pay 60p per bird 55 - 200 miles

 

then it just goes up and up after that

 

cut your cloth to suit, but it stops the no ready yet type , as every one pays your in it together  

[Guest WINGS 04]

 

cut your cloth to suit, but it stops the no ready yet type , as every one pays your in it together  

 

why should some one pay to go to a races even if they are not going you are just trying to wined ppl up

[Guest bigda]

you pay a season ticket and dont  go to the game whats the diffrence,  its a fed your  runing no a daisy days  -  for daisy  day  fanciers