Natural system?

[Guest]

I will stick to the one the 5 times BRITISH FANCIER  has told me seemed to work for him dont you think

 

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[Guest strapper]

I will stick to the one the 5 times BRITISH FANCIER  has told me seemed to work for him dont you think

 

 

entirely your option but as you say its worked for him...doesnt always mean it will work for you, but you wont know unless you try it.

ive never been afraid to try something new...after all thats how these golden oldies become what they did....because they wasnt afraid to try new things.

all the best in which system you use.

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

i fly natural and dont have to destroy squeakers,just dont let the eggs hatch if you dont want them.

 

exactly the same way as we intend to do it George

[blaz]

i flew my birds natural and i was asked by a member if i could kill birds i said yes thinking 1 or2 so i went down then he told me it was the lot he had about 6 or 7 yb 12 to 16 days old to young to leave nest could not kill them so i got the lot up the road and split them between my yb about the same size 3 of them went in to a nest box on the floor so now the cock and hen had 5 to feed cock went to open next again week and won club so NATURAL IS THE WAY TO GO but thats just me

[Guest IB]

When I started back my club champion did advise me to race widowhood, he reckoned it was an easier system than flying Natural.

 

But I chose to fly Natural, yes, there's a lot of extra work and planning, watching the hen's cycle, counting back from basketing night to set the birds down for special races, etc.

 

But kill youngsters as part of this or any system? Any youngsters I have had in the nest for motivation have always become part of my YB team. And if both parents are going to the race, there is always a foster pair, that's one of the benefits of single rearing.

 

And if you don't want youngsters, simple, don't let them hatch in first place - that's what pot eggs are for...

 

 

[Guest spin cycle]

IMO strappers right 'many roads to rome'...'system variations' etc and to me thats probably one of the best things about pigeon racing. culling ,unless ill/injured, is about the worst. i didn't get into pigeons to do that and i try give my birds a good life and fair chance on the road....and only cull the bare min. its also a reason i don't have a large yb team. but this is my choice and we can all make our own. i was told when i started what oldyellow said ( so its not his fault )...i just decided i would sooner loose than do that, but that i'd give it a go anyway.

[Guest]

I personally find it totally outrageous and unacceptable to kill squeekers as part of a racing strategy.I thought we were all in this hobby because we loved pigeons.

[REDCHEQHEN]

I personally find it totally outrageous and unacceptable to kill squeekers as part of a racing strategy.I thought we were all in this hobby because we loved pigeons.

 

well said chrissy

 

We won a race a couple of years ago - a sprint race - where the hen was on 'chipping eggs' - jumpimg beans put in a hollow plastic egg - 'many roads to Rome'

[Guest kev d]

ive raced natural now for a lot of years , never killed a 14 day yb never will

last season i sent to the nfc fourgers race i clocked a hen that lost her mate the week before

she was sitting a 14 day old chick all i did was put  the yb in a nest box with a pair the same age

and took the cock out and let the lod hen rear the yb till the till the hen came back from the race

no problems what so ever . this is what makes our sport so good everybodys got so many different

ideas , cheers kev

[Guest asha]

plenty of hot air on this topic,most rubbish

Many natural flyers do not train,many widowhood flyers do,

Many semi and pseudo widowhood flers race to a youngster alone in the nest,many natural flyers never breed till end of season.

i must say althoughyou lot cry over oldyellers statment, it`s so true,i have had to kill hundreds over the years,just because of bad management,lazyness,inexperienceect,many well bred as well,where fanciers rather let them grow on,if you can`t be merciless you have no buisness being in the pigeon game,leaving the dirty deed to others is bad fanciership.

    

 

  how long have you kept racing pigeons, I have just returned from one of the greatest natural flyers of all time and no young birds are reared and time and energy of the bird wasted unless the young bird is being kept

what a stupid statment,i wonder where he gets youngsters from then?i suppose they arrive out of fresh air ;D ;D ;Dyour having a laygh mate

[Guest kev d]

why is it a stupid statment asha, havent you heard of stock birds for breeding

[Guest asha]

;D

[maverick]

plenty of hot air on this topic,most rubbish

Many natural flyers do not train,many widowhood flyers do,

Many semi and pseudo widowhood flers race to a youngster alone in the nest,many natural flyers never breed till end of season.

i must say althoughyou lot cry over oldyellers statment, it`s so true,i have had to kill hundreds over the years,just because of bad management,lazyness,inexperienceect,many well bred as well,where fanciers rather let them grow on,if you can`t be merciless you have no buisness being in the pigeon game,leaving the dirty deed to others is bad fanciership.

    

 

  how long have you kept racing pigeons, I have just returned from one of the greatest natural flyers of all time and no young birds are reared and time and energy of the bird wasted unless the young bird is being kept what a stupid statment,i wonder where he gets youngsters from then?i suppose they arrive out of fresh air ;D ;D ;Dyour having a laygh mate

READ it properly idiot only young birds that are being kept are reared  you are an *expletive removed*

 

[Guest kev d]

asha, hows your season going so far have you paired up yet

if so hows it going , cheers kev

[Guest kev d]

maverick, calm down mate he,s only having a laugh with you all

dont take it to heart , cheers kev  

[Guest asha]

, I have just returned from one of the greatest natural flyers of all time

            Your having a laugh mate,no way on earth can you justify that statment,and it you could i would just anyway,so you see my dear fried maverrick,you can`t and won`t win ;D > :'( :X 8)

[maverick]

maverick, calm down mate he,s only having a laugh with you all

dont take it to heart , cheers kev  

 

No problem kev he comes on here and tries to rubbish every post and it gets on my nerves

[Guest Vic]

I  raced the natural system many years ago, and done my fair share of winning.  This year wil see my reteurn to the natural, after racing the W/h  system for twenty years or more with as much, if not more success than on the naturals. However, may  I reiterate the views of Old Yellow, regarding the cycling of form within the nest. Well said!  How anybody can race natural without letting nature take its course is beyond belief! Surely a hen is at its prime when feeding a small  yellow, as a rampant cock is, when beginning to look at, and chase his hen, when his nestlings are 12 days turned, especially at the time of year when pigeons are wallowing in the sunshine.It's ok for some of the pigeon financiers, not fanciers, who thrive on filled yb order books, to be able to  keep them for another week or two, and laugh all the way to the bank, with their late breds, (or summer ybs , as they are called these days). You have it there! as I see it!          

      

[greenlands]

Spin city,"i'm happy anyway and enjoy my birds "thats the part i like mate.Lindsay C

[Roland]

A big youngster isn't anything at all, and can be discarded. The Cock bird isn't interested in the youngster, he has other things on his mind, and most likely 'DRIVING'!

And the hen sitting 14 days or so... a youngster is better, more genuine too.

Have never had to cull ANY babes in nests or there after, and have only ever flown Natural.

[Roland]

 

well said chrissy

 

We won a race a couple of years ago - a sprint race - where the hen was on 'chipping eggs' - jumpimg beans put in a hollow plastic egg - 'many roads to Rome'

 

Good on yer gal... Have a mate interested... but won't keep pigeons. A plonker, one of these silly bragging goons, spouted 'The secret of sucess if Cull, cull and cull, find reasons to cull' He wanted culling, and FAR to many plonkers think it is good to spout such crap! No wonder this hobby isn't taken seriously!

Never culled any bird in my life becuase of Natural or any other system reason, outside of Illness. Age, torn up body etc.

[Roland]

I personally find it totally outrageous and unacceptable to kill squeekers as part of a racing strategy.I thought we were all in this hobby because we loved pigeons.

Sorry meant this quote in last post! Very well said.

 

 

[Guest Vic]

A big youngster isn't anything at all, and can be discarded. The Cock bird isn't interested in the youngster, he has other things on his mind, and most likely 'DRIVING'!

And the hen sitting 14 days or so... a youngster is better, more genuine too.

Have never had to cull ANY babes in nests or there after, and have only ever flown Natural.

         Roland, you appear to be going up both sides of  a dual carriageway in the one direction, Surely you can't house all the ybs you breed?  Perhaps this is the reason, for your lack of successs! LOL. Vic.  

 

 

[jimmy white]

I have been told I can't race in the natural system but have to do it on the widowhood system. Is this true?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

hi jamie, i see your a fairly young lad,, my answer to your question is , you dont have to fly any so-called system,, your far better  finding  out as much as you can  about pigeons, and pigeon methods,,,then after a few experiments, form a method or methods ,that suits  you,, in pigeon racing there are many roads leading to rome,, the hardest bit is finding the right one ,, and if you aim to be a top flier, you will find one  eventually   keenness is a great thing  for starters the rest will follow suit,  with patience and learning very best of luck jamie    

[Blue Chequer Pied]

I raced natural for years due to strange work patterns. I can honestly say that I have never had to kill a youngster to achieve any success. I think if the youngsters get to that size it can be to your advantage in longer races if you feed them yourself that takes pressure off the parents and they take more food on board to feed youngsters who dont call (squeak) for it and it gives them added nuitrition. Just my opinion but i think the killing of youngbirds in the nest other than for health or development reasons is wrong and i think that to tell a 15 year old they have to do this to race natural is very wrong. It is not the end of the world to miss a race after all is it. Racing natural and not killing youngbirds in the nest won me the Fed averages so cant be that wrong.

 

Paul.