Lanarkshire FED

[Guest bigda]

would you drug test the  birds that finish last in your club, and every week Ban a member

till there where none ;D as    i say  drugs  only work  for a short time say 4 hours  max and what sort of a head would the bird have  after 12 hours in the basket, and be very carefully in what you say about  drug use,  as you might find your self  in court having to  explain your reasons  about   suspect  drug users , and making the snowball on here will not save you  you have been warned

[Guest]

I think this is a difficult moral question. I have asked in the past what these are butit seems the authorities don't want to say because presumably it will give those less 'srucpulous' info they may use.

I suppose the question is why would you ban, there  are many fanciers who have won using medicines as boosters, I know of some that now vaccinate for paramixo at 4 weeks and then again just before YB racing, others worm a week before a big race to boost, but boost what? Removing birds of worms may well make them go faster, should you be banned for that.

Then there are fanciers who know other tricks bigda mentions Aspirin I think I've heard of fanciers using these in the past but for the life of me I can't remember why.

But from a moral point of view are we concerned about the birds health or someone gaining an advantage. Flying widowhood often gives an advantage but I would speculate its not great for the mental health of the poorer birds.

I think our sport has more tricks than most. However we do not have the scientific base to be able to have a proper drug testing regime, nor do we have the intellectual capability set up to come up with a valid list of drugs that enhance performance. Look at the RPRA their regime is based on that of Belgium and it is not capable of carrying out the tests they are sent to Belgium.

I don't think we can claim the moral high ground in respect of drug testing that we are concerned for the pigeons health and I don't think any of us including the most senior administartors in any of the Unions has the expertise to set up such a program. I have no idea what the score is in Lanarkshire but I suspect it is typical of the rest of the UK and there will be those that are using special drugs, they are canny and will know the ins and outs, even if there is a list made up, they will find a different product that is not on the list. For me it is an issue that is not worth persuing, just my opinion obviously I have not voted. Finally food for thought I know someone who treated his birds with Baytril for a week because they were off colour and sent them on the Saturday and topped the Fed :-/

[Chris Little]

A bit of a strange post... :-/

 

Has the SHU produced a list of banned performance enhancing drugs, until it does we can only make assumptions

[Guest stb]

WHAT DRUGS ??? AND BY WHO????

if you want to know about drugs talk to frank :P

 

 

[JADE]

the pigeon papers are full of products to make your birds go faster. do any of them work? nobody knows but probably not because there are more guys who dont win using the stuff than those who do win

[Guest]

A bit of a strange post... :-/

 

Has the SHU produced a list of banned performance enhancing drugs, until it does we can only make assumptions

 

Sorry Chris just my lateral thinking, i.e. if there are peole using drugs, what does this mean there is no definition, no process, so if the majority say yes the next line of thought is compulsory drug testing and the poat was about whether it is of any point. At times I'm off the wall but what do you expect from a pleb

[Guest bigda]

well if there are drugs used :X in the lanarkshire, we havent   broke  the mile a minute  in three years :X ??) ;D

[Delboy]

A bit of a strange post... :-/

 

Has the SHU produced a list of banned performance enhancing drugs, until it does we can only make assumptions

 

I have seen a list of banned products ( sent to all SNFC members ) Chris. The SNFC has a rule that random drug testing can take place by Officials before or after race. I do believe tests were carried out in last couple of years. :-/ The outcome, I dont know.Must have been negative.

[Chris Little]

Cheers Derek, did see the list sent out by the SNFC but the SHU doesn't seem to have produced one.

 

Just stick to garlic guys   ;D

[Chris Little]

 

Sorry Chris just my lateral thinking, i.e. if there are peole using drugs, what does this mean there is no definition, no process, so if the majority say yes the next line of thought is compulsory drug testing and the poat was about whether it is of any point. At times I'm off the wall but what do you expect from a pleb

 

No worries Alan...... pleb.. aint heard that one used for a while

[Guest]

 

No worries Alan...... pleb.. aint heard that one used for a while

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hell more lateral thinking, must stop using the hemp!

[W.D.]

These drugs are they used for old birds or young birds? Might seem a daft qu but just thought I'd ask and curious to see where this is heading?

[mazzie]

am 28 , been in the sport of pigeon racing for over 16 years , in that time ave tried every product under the sun thats came on the market , ie gem products , carrs , the stuff at blackpool that will make everyone a champion , so is that useing drugs , i remeber in 1992 a member of the midland fed won worcester open race by 20mins , and all you got for weeks was drugs , dodgy clock , blah blah etc

drugs , ets systems , strains , lofts , will come and go but the one thing that will always stay in the pigeon game is JEALOUSY

 

p.s excuse the spelling its a bit late

[Guest bigda]

am 28 , been in the sport of pigeon racing for over 16 years , in that time ave tried every product under the sun thats came on the market , ie gem products , carrs , the stuff at blackpool that will make everyone a champion , so is that useing drugs , i remeber in 1992 a member of the midland fed won worcester open race by 20mins , and all you got for weeks was drugs , dodgy clock , blah blah etc

drugs , ets systems , strains , lofts , will come and go but the one thing that will always stay in the pigeon game is JEALOUSY

 

p.s excuse the spelling its a bit late

 

you have hit   the  nail, on the head there mate, cant win them self, but to appease there  mind, blame it on the  drugs or the position the fancier sit, you know the old saying far away Fields look greener  

[JADE]

best thing to put in the drinkers is H2O. doesnt leave any trace

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Would like to think/believe that no one is using banned substances in Lanarkshire but is Lanarkshire or any other fed in the UK any different from the rest of Europe were it is a more common occurrence for fanciers to be caught using these illegal substances.

As a previous post has put already it's not just about the success that comes with the winning of races it's also the financial gain from the selling of pigeons from these champion birds.

 

Pigeon sport is no different from any other and "were there's a will there's a way"

[joe61]

drugs in pigeon racing has been going on since the 1960s and still goes on today any need to win sport will have a drug element so its not something new as far as i know the rpra do not have a banned substance list and clubs or feds do not have a testing foremat

 

oh happy days

[BLACK W F]

hi Joe has Spencer sold up yet did he get what he wanted for them  its ok i dont want any best of luck selling them

[Novice]

Firstly I doubt if Lanarkshire is any better or worse than any other organisation wrt the use of performance enhancing substances. Therefore it is unfortuante that the original wording named this organisation.

Perhaps this is an informed post and, being an outsider I fail to realise the significance of it.

 

I am unclear what we refer to as drugs. For example I would not consider that an antibiotic prescribed by a vet was cheating---indeed if my birds were ill and I failed to take action then I would be failing them.

Many vendors of pigeon medication actually recommend routine use of their products which are drugs. Is this acceptable? I would think that most of us use these on occasions.

 

The type of substances which I feel should be banned are those which give an instant boost. I believe Cortizone was used to stop the moult but I asked a medical practitioner about this and was told that it can actually speed up the heart rate.

I also read on here that the use of La Sota live vaccine can boost performance. That came as a shock to me.

 

So what I am saying is where is the line drawn.

Secondly we need the governing body to define illegal substances as analytical tests are specific for the substance they are attempting to trace. These tests are expensive and would represent significant expenditure to an organisation.  

[Guest]

Firstly I doubt if Lanarkshire is any better or worse than any other organisation wrt the use of performance enhancing substances. Therefore it is unfortuante that the original wording named this organisation.

Perhaps this is an informed post and, being an outsider I fail to realise the significance of it.

 

I am unclear what we refer to as drugs. For example I would not consider that an antibiotic prescribed by a vet was cheating---indeed if my birds were ill and I failed to take action then I would be failing them.

Many vendors of pigeon medication actually recommend routine use of their products which are drugs. Is this acceptable? I would think that most of us use these on occasions.

 

The type of substances which I feel should be banned are those which give an instant boost. I believe Cortizone was used to stop the moult but I asked a medical practitioner about this and was told that it can actually speed up the heart rate.

I also read on here that the use of La Sota live vaccine can boost performance. That came as a shock to me.

 

So what I am saying is where is the line drawn.

Secondly we need the governing body to define illegal substances as analytical tests are specific for the substance they are attempting to trace. These tests are expensive and would represent significant expenditure to an organisation.  

 

Novice I have a lot to agree with what you say. I think it fair to say as shown above my thought process can be lateral and at times of the wall. But I think the solution may be not to have any banned substances. It's a level playing field then in respect that no one has anything to fear by inadvetantly drugging and the druggies will drug anyway and how will that be enforced??? Anything goes in terms of boosting performance and I think the top men who don't use substances will still win!

[ch pied]

its one big gray area , when med's are used for health enhancing / performance enhancing . in the end it is good bird's , that are prepared & motivated that win race's . sick bird's don't .

[Guest bigda]

pigeons need to be tuned up and in perfect health for sprint racing,  natural immunity might be fine  for distance races,  but you would not ask  mclaren, to  race with 3 cylinders and expect to win the race

[Guest stb]

pigeons need to be tuned up and in perfect health for sprint racing,  natural immunity might be fine  for distance races,  but you would not ask  mclaren, to  race with 3 cylinders and expect to win the race

dont think youll win at distance on 3 cylin ;)ders either

 

 

[Tony C]

The future of pigeon racing lays in natural immunity, the downfall in over medicating/drugging.

[Guest]

The future of pigeon racing lays in natural immunity, the downfall in over medicating/drugging.

 

100% correct mate. ;)