Eyesign

[holmsidelofts]

I do not know why you don't buy yourself a book on genetic inheritance. You would quickly find out the all this talk about eyesign is a load of rubbish. If you want to select eye type, colour, size or anything else as a basis to select and breed for, you can. Obviously the eyes of any animal, bird or even human being are important to their well being and will always be a good way to gauge the health of an individual. But if you believe that there are people who can select pigeons for their racing ability by gazing into their eyes you are kidding yourself.

If you are concerned with the business of selection for racing ability why not do what any geneticist would tell you. Test your stock and select those that are best at doing what you are asking of it. And for goodness sake don,t go down these blind avenues of breeding from untried stock or those with the prettiest eyes. There are no short cuts to finding the best racers. You can not do it by reading pedigrees, studying eyes, wings or anything else. It is about progeny testing and selection all the way.

 

I totally agree with owen. dont waste your valuable time on something that has no scientific results. Eyesign in my opinion is a load of rubbish, as owen said the only thing the eye will tell you is if a bird is healthy or not as you will see a change in the colour/brightness of an eye when they are ill.

 

the basket is the only way to tell good birds.

 

jas

[PIGEON_MAN]

Hi

 

As we are on eyesighn i want to ask a question.

 

Do any one beleive that a bird is worthles when the spinkster muscle is torn or broken?

 

Skull

 

Was the bird a good breeder or good racer before the muscle was torn,I would say that if the bird had been a good breeder he or she would carry on breeding winners as the damage would not impair that but any damage to the eye in a racing pigeon would imo make a differance

[greenlands]

As Jas said  "the basket is the only way to tell good birds"

Totally agree for racers.

One of the best pigeons I have ever had was lost at least three times racing always behind and infact n=missing for three weeks from Lymington about 280ml.We didn't dispose of him he was put in the stock loft,every nest bred a winner or birds to score upto 500 ml.

NU68a2338 ch.pd .cock,eyesign .one to die for ,infact there's a comp going on another site I could have sworn he was on.Ring no

03VIC620.

Lindsay.

 

http://www.tmakowecki.com/STOCKBIRDS07/Cocks07

[Guest steve1952]

As Jas said  "the basket is the only way to tell good birds"

Totally agree for racers.

One of the best pigeons I have ever had was lost at least three times racing always behind and infact n=missing for three weeks from Lymington about 280ml.We didn't dispose of him he was put in the stock loft,every nest bred a winner or birds to score upto 500 ml.

NU68a2338 ch.pd .cock,eyesign .one to die for ,infact there's a comp going on another site I could have sworn he was on.Ring no

03VIC620.

Lindsay.

 

http://www.tmakowecki.com/STOCKBIRDS07/Cocks07

yes ive seen eyesign test, thank you all for info and links, i will be getting genetic books, some have had pigeons years im just learning all info very much appreciated only had birds 3 months no racing yet, starting with 2010 y/bs

 

 

[Roland]

You know, every loft needs and ALL good fanciers have a Yardstick and likes, dislikes and fettistes.

What is important is that you have one whatever it is. Why, well regardless what it is, one gets an system and 'Rule Book' which keeps them regular and consistant.

I don't think for a moment that anyone would dispose of a bird that was a winner and  / or a good breeder regardless of it's eyesign. Yes some GURU'S will tell you this that and the other. Know of a very well renowned 'EyeSign guru that told his prospective clients to order in a lot of Bin Liners. Came and said. 'Disposing will be another £1 per bird Iincase you don't have the heart to do the honours'! Honours?  :-/ Any way he made a good living.

But one needs guisde lines to stick to regardless what they may be.

So if one would cull a winner / good breeder regards eyesign, then he would obviously keep them. So soon the birds will be sorting them selves out.

Could it be then a decdiding factor as to buying, adding new blood? Well who would go to a loft and choose a bird with a better eye over that of winning or proven breeders?  :-/ And pay good money to boot? :-/

yes some have and do I agree. But regardless, one using a little commonsence in this regards and that will inevertibly be performance birds over eyesign mostly.

[marmite]

lol i look at the eyes when buying to check (they have 2 )  to keep a look out for bop[ when racing  sorry its a load of twaddle tbh

[Guest steve1952]

i know what you mean mate, the basket talks info stays in smakk brain like mine better when read, thanks all for comments

[Taylorsloft]

ive never seen a good racing pigeon with a poor eye . what i will say on the subject is i have for the last 3 years been picking my young birds with what i call crap eyes .i have lost young birds with good eyes but have never been left with any of the ones with crap eyes   ;)

[dwh]

ive never seen a good racing pigeon with a poor eye . what i will say on the subject is i have for the last 3 years been picking my young birds with what i call crap eyes .i have lost young birds with good eyes but have never been left with any of the ones with crap eyes   ;)

 

be interesting to know how many of these eyesign "SPECIALISTS" go into a loft and recommend the bin 4 there best racers on the basis of eyesign.

theres xception to te rule in evevrthiing but if eyesign worked you' d be picking your racers b4 your ybs start exercising

its been said b4 the basket is the 1 and only true measure

[Taylorsloft]

this will be my last year of picking them if there is no  crap eyes left next year they will be in the pail i am not prepared to wast my time and money on no hopers

[Roland]

this will be my last year of picking them if there is no  crap eyes left next year they will be in the pail i am not prepared to wast my time and money on no hopers

 

As Bob Flemmings often stated' ......Seen a poor pigeon with a good eye, but never seen a good pigeon with a bad eye'.

[Guest cloudview]

 

As Bob Flemmings often stated' ......Seen a poor pigeon with a good eye, but never seen a good pigeon with a bad eye'.

 

i think a lot of fanciers would like to see just what is classed as a bad eye ,

could someone post a few pictures .

[Guest stb-]

 

i think a lot of fanciers would like to see just what is classed as a bad eye ,

could someone post a few pictures .

 

 

[Guest stb-]

 

 

how far can that one swim

[Guest cloudview]

i should have known that was coming , the very same thing went through my mind as i typed

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[Guest stb-]

i should have known that was coming , the very same thing went through my mind as i typed

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you got to be specific on here  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[naedoos]

Was talkin tae John the other day aboot eyesign, telt me e bred a youngster few years back wi the best eyesign e'd ever seen.

 

Fell doon a neighbours chimney ;D ;D ;D

 

Hope this helps to make yer mind up

[jimmy white]

 

Owen good point if they dont have the winning genes they would be aswell not having

 

eyes anyway for racing purposes.     I  HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND WITH EYE SIGHN GLASSES LOOKING AT RACE HORSES,  and the top ones have the highest

amount of winning jeans around

 

;D ;D ;D maybe john mucurroch ;D ;D

 

i believe you can tell by a birds eye , its health,, it actually changes when in super condition

[Guest newcomer]

I recently read an artical speaking about eye sign, in it was mentioned a false pearl eye, but did not explain any further, please can any one tell me how you can tell the difference between a false one and a real one.

[dwh]

I recently read an artical speaking about eye sign, in it was mentioned a false pearl eye, but did not explain any further, please can any one tell me how you can tell the difference between a false one and a real one.

 

ones made of glass ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SORRY could'nt resist

[Guest frank dooman]

i can remember in 1980 when i just started the doo,s there was a guy in my club (saltcoats ) had a great family of fabrys he was winning out of turn then eyesign was the up and comming sure thing he paid a guy to come to his loft (£100quid) that was alot of money then the rule was you gave him the bin bag he went in and killed what he didnt like he left the guy with 3/4 pairs killed fed toppers and every thing and then to add insult to unjury he offered to sell him birds that  guy never recovered from that yes i like to see a nice eye but its not the be all end all i know of guys that when they put there birds in eyesign classes they clean up all tickets in the class but have never won a race that i know of so make up your own mind  JMO

[Guest stb-]

i can remember in 1980 when i just started the doo,s there was a guy in my club (saltcoats ) had a great family of fabrys he was winning out of turn then eyesign was the up and comming sure thing he paid a guy to come to his loft (£100quid) that was alot of money then the rule was you gave him the bin bag he went in and killed what he didnt like he left the guy with 3/4 pairs killed fed toppers and every thing and then to add insult to unjury he offered to sell his birds that  guy never recovered from that yes i like to see a nice eye but its not the be all end all i know of guys that when they put there birds in eyesign classes they clean up all tickets in the class but have never won a race that i know of so make up your own mind  JMO

 

would not be he first time thats happend  :B  and prob wont be the last, :o