Guest bigda Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 its no use moaning about the hawks when you are not going to to do anything about it your selfs i say feed them, let your birds at them, have a free feed day say first september every year to be feed at no othertime
Blue Chequer Pied Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 its no use moaning about the hawks when you are not going to to do anything about it your selfs i say feed them, let your birds at them, have a free feed day say first september every year to be feed at no othertime What does this mean ?
HOMER49 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 What does this mean ? Hi it means a drop in time saves nine Cheers Homer 49
Guest bigda Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 Hi it means a drop in time saves nine Cheers Homer 49 cheers mate spot! ;) on ;D
DOVEScot Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 They say the only kill to feed but you can take that with a pinch of salt, theres a guy who works at this place where there is peregrines, he says that they will kill in the morning, then late afternoon then thats it until the following day, again i think it will depend on how much they are feeding. There is just too may of them now. They do only hunt to feed, if they over feed they become too heavy to hunt, problem is this time of the year they are rearing young and the kill gets taken back to the nest, the worst time is when the young fledge they will be out training them to hunt and when inexperienced young make quite a few attempts to kill
Guest bigda Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 They do only hunt to feed, if they over feed they become too heavy to hunt, problem is this time of the year they are rearing young and the kill gets taken back to the nest, the worst time is when the young fledge they will be out training them to hunt and when inexperienced young make quite a few attempts to kill you wouldn"t want to make it easy for them," would you"!!
DOVEScot Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 you wouldn"t want to make it easy for them," would you"!! Not in the least, I would have no hesitation in dealing with anything that done this, the best thing is to find another place; if at all possible in some areas to release the birds, I know we can't all own eagle owls to stop this happening but at big releases one could be flown before liberations to deter the falcons, then you have the problem with the falcons on route home for the birds, not easy in the fact that these are being over protected to the point we are over populated with them, the falcon is just behaving natural it is the powers at be that are creating the unbalance of nature
Guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 try and get some large rockets take them with you training if you get an attack while you are releasing at least you can put them of for the birds to get away i do it and it works
ChrisMaidment08 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 take a towne with you cover neck and back with cabbage root worm powder they dont like the taste?
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 not good, but you never seemed to get hawk attacking the first batch did you ? No , so think about it, you then start to let batches of 12 out one after another.... well the first batch you released was as good an invite as any to come over and see whats on the menu... you invited the hawk to come, should have let them all go together and then you would not have seen a hawk at all. its a shame mate, but a lesson learned i guess. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If i would have let them all go together mate i would be sitting here with 15 out of 80 not 15 out of 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am pleased thats what i didn't do !!!! you did the right thing by taking the rest home and not releasing them altogether
Guest j.bamling Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 i have got 2 more home this morning which now leaves 10 missing and i am sure i will get a couple more I am just pleased i did not put the lot up together !!!
Merlin Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Hope you get the rest,but we do need a reality check here for racing fanciers,check out Derby Web Cam,observe these four beauts,amount of birds required to feed and sustain them,imagine how many nest sites this is happening in,what will it be like in just five years time,if it continues as it is now, we will have a new concept in racing,all survivors get a red card.
gangster Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Hope you get the rest,but we do need a reality check here for racing fanciers,check out Derby Web Cam,observe these four beauts,amount of birds required to feed and sustain them,imagine how many nest sites this is happening in,what will it be like in just five years time,if it continues as it is now, we will have a new concept in racing,all survivors get a red card. i agree with that....
Roland Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Two things I've advocated - well more with a PR. Firm -- One is, now that we have a climate change somewhat, and better weather in September / october even, Why oh why don't we start racing , and training a lot later! Keep birds in till June even! Never mind the urge, a season or two at least would make a bit of difference. I mean in reality the simple question boils down to 'Do we keep them well fed to raise better and more youngsters, or do we edge the killing of our beloved birds. And just when is a fund, ever going to be set up for THE purchase of eagle owls?! Or are we going to stay in the wishy washy land of 'Never and Apathy'!
bewted Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Two things I've advocated - well more with a PR. Firm -- One is, now that we have a climate change somewhat, and better weather in September / october even, Why oh why don't we start racing , and training a lot later! Keep birds in till June even! Never mind the urge, a season or two at least would make a bit of difference. I mean in reality the simple question boils down to 'Do we keep them well fed to raise better and more youngsters, or do we edge the killing of our beloved birds. And just when is a fund, ever going to be set up for THE purchase of eagle owls?! Or are we going to stay in the wishy washy land of 'Never and Apathy'! i think never and apathy is right !!! not many fanciers will try to sort it all out,but,whinge and moan the majority will be on peregrines !!!saying that,,,theres a lot more to just buying them than most think !! eg,feeding,training,housing,etc !!!
Guest j.bamling Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 I think we are stepping a bit away from the main thing here , Surely it the organisations from within where we fly who should be persuing the RSPB and other hawk loveing autheritys, Instead of us helping this charity and that charity we should be looking after ourselves first after all charity begins at home !!!
Merlin Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Cant say you are wrong regarding these thoughts, J but the bottom line is,this aint ever going to happen,this problem has affected many fanciers and their birds,for a good number of years,in my own case 1983 when we started being attacked on a fairly regulr basis,what have the Unioins done in this time,sweet F.A. with the exception of the S.H.U.who attempted to address it and were met with lies,untruths, and total indifference,by these Orgzs and Raptor Groups,passive resistance went out with Ghandi,fire with fire,help yourself,because nobody else will, sad but true. Rolands therory would be workable and very effective,and would stabilize at first and eventually reduce this overpopulation of B.O.P.now guess who the biggest opponents of this would be, Pigeon Fanciers.
Roland Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 the twin prong of Eagle owls, with the reduction of our free meals, which would have drastic effect on their population, is surely the starting point. Further every day I wonder why oh why don't we have a P.R. Firm... Bet your bottom dollar that the RSPB, THE Goverment and any and every organization that has a point to get across or a view of a decent end result has!!! Just a pound a year, not even half a pint a year... and the flipping fanciers will moan and contrive any and every way but which with any and every feeble excuse not too!!! Time e all stood back and took a blumming good look at ourselves... stop whinging and faced reality. We are classed as no accounts, a pityful cry in the wilderness, and are only interested in buyi ng bigger and better guns to shoot into our bloody foot!!
Guest bigda Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 the twin prong of Eagle owls, with the reduction of our free meals, which would have drastic effect on their population, is surely the starting point. Further every day I wonder why oh why don't we have a P.R. Firm... Bet your bottom dollar that the RSPB, THE Goverment and any and every organization that has a point to get across or a view of a decent end result has!!! Just a pound a year, not even half a pint a year... and the flipping fanciers will moan and contrive any and every way but which with any and every feeble excuse not too!!! Time e all stood back and took a blumming good look at ourselves... stop whinging and faced reality. We are classed as no accounts, a pityful cry in the wilderness, and are only interested in buyi ng bigger and better guns to shoot into our bloody foot!! your right there mate i ill go further than that the pigeon fanceirs of this erra would grass you off very quickly if you harm the hawks, dont ask them to check out on the internet, available solutions to our problems like spot on or such like effective, don"T waste any more time on the subject as you will just go round in circles the moaners don"t do anything more than moan
billy wilson Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 pleased you have got some back jimmy,lets hope you get the rest,we can go on forever about hawks and peregrins but i dont think anything will change as these preditors are every where now,and they are growing and growing,its about time the rspb and the government got there fingers out from under there a---s and got something done because until they do we are going to lose members hands over fist,but what else can we do it doesnt matter what r0oot the birds take they are going to be hit somewhere along the line.cheers to everyone on the site and happy racing if you can call it that billy
Guest j.bamling Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 I got another one back billy so it leaves 9 missing
frank-123 Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Orders taken for Eurasian Eagle Owls. Tel: 07876 632912 (Cumbria) (28062660)
ALF Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Orders taken for Eurasian Eagle Owls. Tel: 07876 632912 (Cumbria) (28062660) How much? ££££ ??
Guest bigda Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 an eagle owl in cumbria would be like a kid in a toy shop 1,200 breading pairs,
Guest j.bamling Posted June 5, 2008 Report Posted June 5, 2008 Orders taken for Eurasian Eagle Owls. Tel: 07876 632912 (Cumbria) (28062660) how much they run at ? might get one just in case LOL
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