Roland Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Setting the record straight. Firstly I am not speaking for or on behalf of the P.O.B body, That will become very very obvious. Indeed I am not able to having not any rights to. However, as a fancier, a forum member, who was part instigator of the P.O.B and what we ALL wish to see and achieve, I can’t sit idly by and see some stupid and egoistic tripe utter so often endeavouring to destroy the P.O.B before the wheels have hardly been set in motion. Yes this has been said far too often, and is there for all to see on open forum seeking to ridicule. Unfortunately their bleating is only tarnishing the very name of the ‘Fancy’ as a whole. I can copy and post countless posts from not only this site but a couple of others. Of course some will be up in arms to spout ‘Rubbish’ and try to disclaim these facts. But they can’t, for the simple truth is any efforts that may help is to be applauded. SHOULD be allowed to run it’s course. Trying to stifle others efforts is senile and in very bad taste. If you, for instance, don’t agree with whatever, can't see the way clear on it, then fine don’t subscribe, do the decent thing and allow others to stand up and be counted. Counted in peace and deserved quiet. Hence I feel that a comment or two is right in coming, if not way over due, to bring realism and truths to their’ endeavours to help us all with the B.O.P Plight affecting many, and soon every one. It is a shame that defamatory and uncalled slants, nasty innuendos and downright silly untruths have, by some quarters, been levelled at the P.O.B. hierarchy. Regrettably, on behalf of these, I feel I must address this ludicrous, babyish slander. Let us be very clear on this, these persons whom you don’t know, are of very high moral character. Persons held in very high esteem by the majority of you all! Because you don't know who they are, doesn't in the slightest mean that they lose respect and genuines, and that's a fact! Yet they are deemed to ridicule; levied as to some very unfair motives and down right lies! Innate question supposedly clever, but best left ignored like: 'Who elected a committee'? Answer: Well as there is and as of yet no members that must be too most obvious. 'Just who was eligible to vote'? Of course the answer is ‘No one’! 'We want to know whom they are so as they can be held accountable to us'! Why? Who are you? Again the simple answer is: They of course, at present, are not accountable to anyone. Further there is nothing to be accountable for, or too. Simply put, for those not very conversant with starting any institution, charity, trust etc. etc. when and as any concern is formed, who’s ever idea it was may co – opt another to help, and thus by co – opting others a delegation, or a committee is formed. Simple to understand by most I guess even logical I believe. Yes later of course rules and regulation may and often do follow. Followed by sarcastic, even if silly statements like ‘as a member, and as I didn’t vote I want to know who is acting on my behalf’? Give me strength. Then absurdly stating that they don’t wish for those elected to be acting on their behalf! Well you needn’t worry, because they won’t be. Though you will no doubt reap some benefits and later demand some more supposedly ‘rights’ when it suits. Again in the same sentences ‘ …. that Roland has told some who they are – RUBBISH I never ever have, and it will never happen! Ofcourse there will be a time soon admitted when all names will be revealed. One idiot often puts as a ob committee member, sad joke eh!Then their next sentence and stupid, unbelievable ploy of 'It is a secret society etc. and they don’t know, nor does any one else know who they are'. Now as most reasonable and sensible fanciers appreciate, there is a two-fold reason to remain behind closed doors, so to speak, for the time being. Though I must stress everyone of the committee is perfectly happy to be known. But they need protecting from the egos within. Yes the very ones they are trying to help, whether they appreciate it or not. And certainly from the likes of above! Just look at the posts of some on open forums! Some even stating that they will write and cause trouble for the P.O.B in the B.H.W. and such. Petty and silly! Why of course. Also that they will write and demand every thing about the P.O.B to be made known and public! I mean just who do these people believe they are. What rights, what enforcement? They aren’t, can’t and never will be any. Everything is, and will always be above board and legal The question they never ask themselves yet most certainly should is ‘Why’ do I, and my cliché wish to discredit, to hold them back, or ruin these others efforts’? Yes other genuine fanciers, hard working endeavours which they wish to tear in to tatters. No it surely can ever enter their head! Or they aren’t clever enough to psychoanalyse their intent AND own personal agenda. Nor does it obviously occur to them any harm that they wish to inflict upon the committee members and the consequences it has on the whole fancy as a whole. The ruining of yet another sound idea intended to help us all. And yet they wish these people to be named and held to their’ ridicule, persecution and belittlement. Simply put again these adgitators have no rights; for the committee is as of this moment not accountable to any person or bodies. So it is just berating and trouble making. These same people have their own agenda. Own thoughts of what they wish to achieve and their idea of the best way to go forward. Fine with me, and certainly with the level headed and sensible P.O.B. committee to let them go ahead with them. More than one road leads to Rome it is said. Now whether they are correct, or misbegotten only time will tell. However may I draw your attention the following? Please all, do try and read through to the end of the first one here, then the very others … http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=92173 Sorry, on second thoughts, of the dozens available I feel one is more than enough. I personally don’t believe that this has helped our cause, nor put us Pigeon fanciers in a good light. Indeed if anything a lot worst and open to more derision, derision we can ill afford. The P.O.B made it known from the ofset that they don’t want to rush out 'Bull at the gate' style and finish up like so many before them, laughed at, and with mud on all pigeon fanciers faces. Secondarily to be shielded from unwarranted attacks from – not only as the self appointed self righteous ones as previously mention, but via the RSPB and their friends. Let us be in no doubt about their ways and how they will try to manipulate, control, cajole, coerce even threaten to achieve their goal. Yes but still a few wish to expose, for selfish nothings, to lay the members open and bare to them also. Of course it’s not their families, wives and kids that may well be coerced, badgered and frightened, and intimidated! But that seems not to matter to some whose ego demands them a voice to show of with. Pity it doesn't engage a brain before spout rubbish As of date, the general consensus is that the P.O.B moving cautiously in the right direction. They have many satellites to bounce ideas off. Have bought Website domains. Are searching for realistic and honest substance to be made available via such website. Are debating and considering the best P.R. Firm; a P.R firm that will answer question or queries on your behalf. One willing to be the ‘Face’ the media will see. A P.R. Firm putting yours and their thoughts, views, ideas forward in the best light. One having responsibility for any media publicity and promotions. Yet putting our Plight foremost with no allegiances to such as the RSPB and such. Further they are actively seeking a ‘Name’ or two for your cause. Endeavouring in seeing the way clear to obtain the best interests in an acceptable way. Further the board were under the impression that opening an account with just one signature would be attainable. Then adding extra signatures at a later stage would be in order. However, they are now in the process of setting up such an account where they can have any two signatures from four. This would invariably cover illness and holidays. Further it is a safe guard against temptation and / or manipulation of funds. Further one can rest assured that no ones money – except committee members own money, has been touch. Indeed payments are still lying dormant as explained why above. So senseless bleating and threats and uncalled for bias innuendos will continued to be totally for the best 'IGNORED'! The P.O.B is working. Iy is not seeking bad publicity, let alone calling from the likes of afore mentioned! They are seeking to gain trusts and credit, not just with the 'Fancy, but many others concerns in which many other parties can benefit. (The morronic Babbling of some egos and Cat calling certain doesn't help ANY cause when they view our site, and that is a shame, and a sad fact). A ‘face’ that the pigeon fancier deserves, deserve through countless years of helping and giving to good causes. The ‘War Years’ and what the nation owes, indebted and should appreciate. Why it is a great hobby for young and old alike. Not a senseless band of self-righteous egoistic gang loving to argue and be disruptive. This post needs no answers. Not that I don’t expect, or believe that …….. No I won’t name them, - won’t spout up on call. Won’t be phoning and P.ming their’ cliche to have an unwarranted attack on this posting! Even though there is actually no reason, cause or judgemental part that needs degrading and belittling in this post. After all it is just home truths and reality. But alas a lack, they will, mark my words. Bang Bang, their' feet will be hopping, but never mind, at least they can have a silly rant.
pigeonpete Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 You been writing that all day roland :-) :-) Do you want it left open or locked? As feel it may end up locked in the end. And no i dont want it locke before anyone says
Roland Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Posted August 13, 2009 Fine, lock it. Will only attract senseless vebal abuse from the 'Not so Genuine' cliche. Whereas the more sensible ones will appreciate the truth and facts.
pigeonpete Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Fine, lock it. Will only attract senseless vebal abuse from the 'Not so Genuine' cliche. Whereas the more sensible ones will appreciate the truth and facts. Roland was only trying to help! Will leave it open then if you want :-/
BLACK W F Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Roland mate you have my full support i do not want to know who is heading it or who is on the commitee and who is running it what ever i can do to help i will what i dont know i cant say and thats the way it should stay and before any one says anything i am not on the commitee ect but i have ful trust in Roland he should be helped not slagged ridiculed ect best of luck mate cheers Alan
Guest Grasshopper Lofts Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 roland u have my full support i think by not having the everything on view on this site and others helps as we all know these are monitored by all sorts of people/organisations so by keeping it of the web helps our cause and doesnt make the pigeon fraternity look worse than it already does. Keep up the good work
Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Roland, you pretty much know that you have most people's support, those who doubt your integrity are often those that need theirs questioned. Good luck in whatever it is your doing, I'm sure its for the benefit of the sport. I bet your knackered now typing all that. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Guest bigda Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 will pigeon basics .com be used rolland, for your soap box, do you have your own site would hate to see this site, be attacked by the rspb, hope you know what your are doing as the members most of them are only here to talk about racing pigeons nothing else and have let it be known IMO you should get your own site then you will have your own members
Guest strapper Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 just reading the posts on the thread roland posted...i would say that most on that site are inbred rednecks. maybe we should start a new petition....ban guns !...wonder how they will wake up then. ive been in the hunting/game world for as long as i care to remember and shooting was part of it. but reading some of their views is it any wonder when we have idiots going into these schools/colleges as in the usa...goes to show what kind of dXXkheads have got the power of a trigger.
Roland Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Posted August 13, 2009 Bigda, I will answer just this once. Not going to get drawn into a 'Cobblers crap scenario' by you and / or yours. The post states that YES we have a site, bought and paid for etc.. A website actually as we speak being sorted and pages added to. No! No donations or 'Birds sales' have go towards it's costs, or any other. That, as I said is as I stated. Now anything and everything you, or any one else needs to know has been posted if you cared to read, preferably fully and not to pick willy nilly. All other updates will be posted as and when available, or when decisions, or functions have been made. Yes I am also a member of Pigeon Chat and Pigeonbasic.net. But I don't and won't try or attempted to trip you and / or them up. Hope you do some good as well, further leave us to do as we will and hopefully achieve some goals.. As for that soap box crack ... streuth that's like buckets of soot calling a little sapphire black. So enough said on that, and nowt else needed to say as it is, as always been said.
BLACK W F Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 GOOD REPLY ROLAND NO NEED TO GET INTO BIGDA s GAME HE LIKES TO STIRE AS WE ALL HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST
Guest spin cycle Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 am i alone in being baffled about all this infighting...why and where it comes from. these various factions need to get on with the job as they see it...competing for support by deed not by badmouthing. to be honest far more people have far more and serious problems in their lives than some of the issues we fight over. JMO
maverick Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 I have noticed whenever anyone trys to do something to help this sport there is always fanciers there to try and spoil no wonder we can never get much done to help ourselfs. If all who love to put hurdles in the way of others put as much effort into helping most of our problems would be gone, good luck roland and keep going
Guest strapper Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 am i alone in being baffled about all this infighting...why and where it comes from. these various factions need to get on with the job as they see it...competing for support by deed not by badmouthing. to be honest far more people have far more and serious problems in their lives than some of the issues we fight over. JMO personalities clash ..click against the clock, tick against the tock...what ever...like in all aspects of pigeons racing, there will be personality clashing...nither being wrong.
Guest bigda Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 can you give me a link to your web page
Guest Owen Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 I don't think that I am in the least concerned about the clowns that write such rubbish. The way they write and speak tells me that they are a bunch of thickos. Besides, I doubt if any of them would have the guts to stand in front of a lot decent Fanciers and trot that sort of crap out. I certainly would not spare a thought for the kind of fools who talk and act in that way. Most of those super fools will only be happy while they are being disruptive and sneaking around shooting pigeons, or what ever, while no-one is looking. In any case, we have always known that this Forum would attract our detracters. There is probably nothing we can do to sort the genuine people from the fools. The slight worry I have is, that while all this flack is being fired at us, it could spoil the people who want to have a genuine debate. I hope it does'nt, because we need to be better than that. And my last word for the "School Bullies" is bring it on boys.
white logan Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 i dont realy know why any of you bother , your all bitching and back biting and your cause is doomed to failure from the start , you can have endless comitee's and make endless threats and promises , BUT YOU ARE ALL TOO STUPID TO TAKE ON THE MIGHT Of THE RSPB and DEFRA , unless you ALL learn to pul together you remain like the "parabel of the two mules" learn that lesson well. lenwadebob has repeatedly made a sujestion that is the only "senscible sujestion" ever made , dont fly your pigeons for two years and that would create such a "stir" that something would be done ,if only by public opinion which you desperately need . the RSPB are laughing at you !,with your petty sales and fund raising they will still take you to the cleaners with ther 21 million pounds a year spending money (£21,000,000) (thats for those that can count), the so called commitee members of your fund will fall at the first hurdle, example , wake up one morning to a police and RSPB raid , find dead sparrowhawk or dead peregrine in your wheelie bin ,.............your ar$e is in flames . so boys , get real , get honest with each other and stop trying to score points , smell the coffee and wake up . and stop spouting a crock of crap . the RSPB allready know who the "comitee members are" and they are still laughing because you all still portray an immage of cloth caps and clogs, life could not be easier for the protectionists if they only had to take on you lot
Guest Owen Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Well, Well, Well. They came out of the woodwork. So we have a wisdom being pressed on us all by a fella that has a job to write properly. Sparrowhawks in dust bins. Do you know this is a bit like the threats I have seen doled out about not saying anything because, "They could come and break your windows". Sorry, but I am totally underwhelmed by that sort of threat. And just for the record, I have always stood up to bullies and I always will. In a Civilised Society we should always insist on the right to express out points of view even if the other fellow has more money or anything else. We should be able to talk to and argue our case and expect that our political representitives listen to what we have to say. The RSPB is an unelected body who have the same rights as the rest of us, and no more. The people who think it is OK to try to bully and intimidate the rest of us are just a joke. I will personally do what I think is right regardless of your insults and attempted intimidation. At the end of the day it will be the Public that will have the last word in all of this. Not the Bullies or the RSPB and not even the Politicians. So if the case is justified and has common sense and right on it's side, it will succeed. If not it will deserve to fail.
white logan Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 who are you talking about when you say "a fellow that has a job to write properly" 90% of the forum ? your an ignorant to$$er
Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 I think we should all stick together,or we will all end up :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
white logan Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 I think we should all stick together,or we will all end up :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( some of these on here couldnt stick together if it was $hite to bed sheets
Blue Chequer Pied Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 who are you talking about when you say "a fellow that has a job to write properly" 90% of the forum ? your an ignorant to$$er No need for this. Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. It only goes pear-shaped when people get personal and petty. Why not have a proper debate and make yor point without insults? Paul.
chickadee Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 I think we should all stick together,or we will all end up :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( I doubt that will ever happen, they are as bad as each other :(
white logan Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 No need for this. Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. It only goes pear-shaped when people get personal and petty. Why not have a proper debate and make yor point without insults? Paul. i agree, but the barrack room laywer who made an insult against me?/forum members for their spelling was not being very diplomatic was he , how long has it been a crime to misspell ?, if it is a crime then close the forum because i have noted that most on here are bad at speeling but i was not being a two faced back stabber like he was
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