willow Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Yesterdays Scotland on Sunday Oct 11TH PAGE 8 has an article of news .It may be of some help to pigeon fanciers to contact IAN MC CALL .He is the director of Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust . In the paper he is saying there should be a cull on some BOP to protect pigeon fanciers and farmers . These birds are protected from the government and we do not have control over the numbers of birds breeding wild and if it continues people will take it into there own hands and do what they must .Ian Mc Call is calling for support to determine the numbers of BOP and if the numbers grow then something should be done about killing them .On this forum a few weeks ago it was talked about doing something . Read yesterdays SOS and if Ian Mc Call is needing support and proof about the damage that BOP are doing to the pigeon sport it is now up to you all to get behind this man and do something instead of just talking . Now is your chance to be heard one man has got coverage it is up to others to get intouch with him with your support and stories of BOP ripping your birds appart ,killing them and the damage they are doing . I have posted this in the hope that it will infact be helpfull to you all . Avril
sammy Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 thats sounds good yi got his fone number
Blue Chequer Pied Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Well done Avril I will try to get a copy and have a look. Regards, Paul.
Guest frank dooman Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 how do we contact him can you put up a link
greenlands Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Have you put this on any other pigeon sites.
willow Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Posted October 12, 2009 Conservationist urges cull on birds of prey « Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date: 11 October 2009 By Jenny Fyall Environment Correspondent LIMITS should be placed on the growing number of birds of prey in Scotland to protect the interests of landowners, according to the outgoing head of a leading conservation charity. Ian McCall, director of the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, has warned that if legal means are not provided to help farmers, grouse-moor owners and pigeon fanciers to control birds of prey, they would be forced to take the law into their own haADVERTISEMENTnds. McCall's comments will inflame the debate between those who support controlling bird of prey numbers – which have exploded over the past decade – and those who believe they should be allowed to flourish without interference. Among the species that have increased following government protection of their status are buzzards and sparrowhawks, which prey on other birds. Although landowners can get licences to shoot birds of prey in certain circumstances, one has never been granted to protect grouse or pigeons. "We have got to decide how many (raptors] we want because infinity is unacceptable," McCall said. "There should be target populations and when we exceed them then we may need to control them." McCall, head of the trust which carries out scientific research on wildlife conservation, said sparrowhawk and buzzard populations were no longer under threat. He argued that the Scottish Government should grant licences to allow raptors to be killed if they were causing problems that were having an impact on livelihoods. "We need to recognise that if there are too many of any species then one needs to offer people who have got a serious problem a way out," he said. "If you see your lambs being killed every day by raptors, and it's your livelihood and you can't do anything about it then you think, 'Christ I have to take the law into my own hands,'" he said. "We want to find a compromise solution where people can manage land for wildlife conservation and agriculture and tourism without having to break the law."
willow Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Posted October 12, 2009 I have posted the whole story from the SOS .I have not posted it onto other sites i will leave that for the more experienced fanciers .I am a novice but i am interested in the welfare of the pigeons .After reading this i thought it an idea to let others see that one man is also trying to help . As i said it is now up to everyone else to get behind him and do something to help everyone .I am sure if you get intouch with the Game and wildlife Conservation Trust they will give you a number they have a web site so you can check it out there or leave a message for him . Good Luck to you all who will support him and do something ,i know i will try . Avril
Guest Davy Fleming Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 He will have an e-mail address or some other type of contact we can send our concerns to
greenlands Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Have posted this on another pigeon forum.The more fanciers see it the better. Lindsay
Guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 well done Avril ,for fetching this to our attention. andy.
willow Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Posted October 12, 2009 That is good lindsay ,i am glad i read it now and posted it for everyone to read .I must be the only SOS reader on here !
THE FIFER Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 good, interesting to members of the site, thanks,
kev43 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 good, interesting to members of the site, thanks, aye well done avril bout time u pulled ur finger out, :P :P very intersting
willow Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Posted October 14, 2009 Thank you Kev .......... i have not been on for a few days has anyone followed this up at all yet ?
chickadee Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Good post Willow I hope it works but the RSPB propaganda machine will be on the case to discredit it as much as they can
vanreets Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Conservationist urges cull on birds of prey « Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date: 11 October 2009 By Jenny Fyall Environment Correspondent LIMITS should be placed on the growing number of birds of prey in Scotland to protect the interests of landowners, according to the outgoing head of a leading conservation charity. Ian McCall, director of the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, has warned that if legal means are not provided to help farmers, grouse-moor owners and pigeon fanciers to control birds of prey, they would be forced to take the law into their own haADVERTISEMENTnds. McCall's comments will inflame the debate between those who support controlling bird of prey numbers – which have exploded over the past decade – and those who believe they should be allowed to flourish without interference. Among the species that have increased following government protection of their status are buzzards and sparrowhawks, which prey on other birds. Although landowners can get licences to shoot birds of prey in certain circumstances, one has never been granted to protect grouse or pigeons. "We have got to decide how many (raptors] we want because infinity is unacceptable," McCall said. "There should be target populations and when we exceed them then we may need to control them." McCall, head of the trust which carries out scientific research on wildlife conservation, said sparrowhawk and buzzard populations were no longer under threat. He argued that the Scottish Government should grant licences to allow raptors to be killed if they were causing problems that were having an impact on livelihoods. "We need to recognise that if there are too many of any species then one needs to offer people who have got a serious problem a way out," he said. "If you see your lambs being killed every day by raptors, and it's your livelihood and you can't do anything about it then you think, 'Christ I have to take the law into my own hands,'" he said. "We want to find a compromise solution where people can manage land for wildlife conservation and agriculture and tourism without having to break the law." good post
willow Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 How many members are on PB and other sites ,i have read posts before with everyone going on and on about BOP and doing nothing .If everyone does just that and does not give this guy stories about what they are doing to your own birds how is he expected to voice your opinions if no one helps him .As i said before i can't say anything as i don't have birds ,being negative will get everyone no place but if every member did something positive instead of being negative about it all the time then things would get sorted . I have had a member on here asking me if he could post this onto another site so at least someone else is behind this . Good luck to you all, throwing a pebble into a pond makes many ripples ........think about it !
willow Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Posted October 17, 2009 I have wrote to the consevation trust to ask that Ian Mc Call get intouch with me about this issue on BOP . I have decided to give him my support myself .Me being a woman in a mans sport as it seems there are too few men speaking up for this issue .I am sure if however it was a man who had read this article in the News of the World or the Sporting news instead of the SOS .for those who don't know that's The Scotland on Sunday there would be more support .I will keep those interested in the outcome once i have made contact with Ian . Avril
rembrant2coo Posted October 17, 2009 Report Posted October 17, 2009 I have wrote to the consevation trust to ask that Ian Mc Call get intouch with me about this issue on BOP . I have decided to give him my support myself .Me being a woman in a mans sport as it seems there are too few men speaking up for this issue .I am sure if however it was a man who had read this article in the News of the World or the Sporting news instead of the SOS .for those who don't know that's The Scotland on Sunday there would be more support .I will keep those interested in the outcome once i have made contact with Ian . Avril I my dear I will give you my backing and if you like would meet him also , the facts should be known to mr mcall about the havoc these b.o.p. , do to our birds,and try and get as much evidence and lots of pics to let him see we have know protection what so ever from the raptors , This situation of course has been ongoing for a long time ,the SHU and a committee of fanciers I think led by dr phil lynch and capt buchanan , we,ve had books and leaflets and many discussions but it just seems to peter out after a time so avril a lot has been done but you cant f--- against thunder with the likes of the rspb and the heritage trust, who have all the little ladies and others who dig deep to help them with there funds
franny41 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 I have wrote to the consevation trust to ask that Ian Mc Call get intouch with me about this issue on BOP . I have decided to give him my support myself .Me being a woman in a mans sport as it seems there are too few men speaking up for this issue .I am sure if however it was a man who had read this article in the News of the World or the Sporting news instead of the SOS .for those who don't know that's The Scotland on Sunday there would be more support .I will keep those interested in the outcome once i have made contact with Ian . Avril Hi guys/gals did anybody find an e.mail or contact address for Ian McCall i have quite a few photos of my birds that have been damaged and killed by sparrowhawks and would love to forward them to him i think everyone should take photos and document attacks and kills on there birds and just keep nipping away with info and the powers that be have got to start listening after all that what the anti hunting league did to get there own way cheers. P.S.If you pm his e.mail address to me i can send him photo and give him first hand accounts of sparrowhawk attacks on my pigeons Franny
rembrant2coo Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Willow has not been well and she has asked me to pass on this plea of HELP from you guys out there who have photo,s she can use as evidence, to give to the conservationist IAN McCALL,she had a phone call from him today, So she and myself will be meeting with him next week to discuss the situation , Of all Hawk attacks and the devastation they can cause on your birds,Please can you send photo,s of your birds and a little bit of information to go with it if possible , And you can send them to me, e-mail them to harrymaidment@yahoo.co.uk , thank you all H
rembrant2coo Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Willow has not been well and she has asked me to pass on this plea of HELP from you guys out there who have photo,s she can use as evidence, to give to the conservationist IAN McCALL,she had a phone call from him today, So she and myself will be meeting with him next week to discuss the situation , Of all Hawk attacks and the devastation they can cause on your birds,Please can you send photo,s of your birds and a little bit of information to go with it if possible , And you can send them to me, e-mail them to harrymaidment@yahoo.co.uk , thank you all H you can p.m me as well thanks
ALF Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Come on everyone who has pictures of birds with hawk/falcon attack injuries get them e-mailed/pm's tae Harry and give him a hand with this
rembrant2coo Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Come on everyone who has pictures of birds with hawk/falcon attack injuries get them e-mailed/pm's tae Harry and give him a hand with this YES ALF IT WOULD SEEM THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT IT BUT NOT DOO ANYTHING ABOUT IT , ,,ITS AN EXERCISE GUYS TO GET SOMETHING MOVING WITH THE HELP OF THE CONSERVATIONISTS BUT HEY I DON,T MIND OF YE DON,T WANT TOO ITS ONLY A FEW PHOTO,S THAT SOME OF YOU PUT UP ON HERE AND THEN WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,MY TIME CAN BE SPENT DOING OTHER THINGS LIKE BEING WITH MY GRANDCHILDREN SO IT IS UP TO YOU ONES YOU KNOW WHERE TO GET US
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