natural cock v.s widdowhood cock

[Guest vander mungo]

after 4,weeks into both methods of flying which system would have the edge on race day.base this on two yearlings.one on widowhood and the other driving his hen to nest

[dal2]

Never had a natural cock beat a widower at shorter distances but suppose it depends on pigeons as much as anything

[holmsidelofts]

after 4,weeks into both methods of flying which system would have the edge on race day.base this on two yearlings.one on widowhood and the other driving his hen to nest

 

For me it would always be widowhood, you get more consistent performance over a period of weeks where with natural you only get small windows to get it right and you have all the hassles that go a long with it, ie difficulty getting them to exercise, the hassles of youngsters you dont want, for me it would be widowhood everytime im afraid. its a difficult question to answer who would have the edge as theres lots of factors to think about.

 

 

 

[DJWa]

last year i set up my good busseart cock 3 times driving

1st time he sat on the house roof for 8 mins being home 4 mins before any loftmates

2nd time he was 1st club 7th fed

3rd time he was 1st club 8th fed

 

this was flying against widdow and roundabout members in my club

[Guest bakes]

widowhood cocks have the edge in my eyes naturals come to there own the longer the distances but all to your own

[dal2]

last year i set up my good busseart cock 3 times driving

1st time he sat on the house roof for 8 mins being home 4 mins before any loftmates

2nd time he was 1st club 7th fed

3rd time he was 1st club 8th fed

 

this was flying against widdow and roundabout members in my club

 

 

Ye had that cock bang on mate. Youll be setin it up for a big pools win shortly then???

 

[Guest vander mungo]

widowhood cocks have the edge in my eyes naturals come to there own the longer the distances but all to your own

 

does that mean you pair yours up for the distance

[sapper756]

Would have to agree with the majority and say the Widowhood would beat the natural, especially in the sprint/middle distance races JMO

[Guest bakes]

 

does that mean you pair yours up for the distance

 

that was my plan

[jimbhoy29]

a found if u move the natural cocks to a diferent section on the thursday and basket them in that section on the friday u will match any widowhood cock on the saturday..  jmo

[magpie]

It's a fallacy that widowhood cocks won't compete at the distance - we've won our section in NFC Tarbes and British Barcelona Club from Palamos, second open BBC Bordeaux and plenty of other positions at the distance with widowhood cocks. But it's no good pairing them up early and hammering them down the road every week from mid-April if you want them at their best in late June-early July.  

[DJWa]

 

 

Ye had that cock bang on mate. Youll be setin it up for a big pools win shortly then???

 

afraid we dont fly for any pools :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[holmsidelofts]

It's a fallacy that widowhood cocks won't compete at the distance - we've won our section in NFC Tarbes and British Barcelona Club from Palamos, second open BBC Bordeaux and plenty of other positions at the distance with widowhood cocks. But it's no good pairing them up early and hammering them down the road every week from mid-April if you want them at their best in late June-early July.  

 

Totally agree, just ask geoff kirkland one of the fines long distance champions the uk has ever had and hes widowhood.

 

 

 

[Guest vander mungo]

 

afraid we dont fly for any pools :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 

what family of busschaerts are they could do with some steady poolers myself

[DJWa]

 

what family of busschaerts are they could do with some steady poolers myself

 

only got the 1 and he was a gift

dont know what lines hes from

[kirky]

last year i set up my good busseart cock 3 times driving

1st time he sat on the house roof for 8 mins being home 4 mins before any loftmates

2nd time he was 1st club 7th fed

3rd time he was 1st club 8th fed

 

this was flying against widdow and roundabout members in my club

was he a yearling or older,

 

 

[Tony C]

I would say both would be as keen as eachother.

[DJWa]

was he a yearling or older,

 

 

SU 08  974

[Guest strapper]

i had a natural cock top the welsh north road fed by 22yrds..beating widowhood cocks.

at 91 mls.

 

in 2008 i also had a cock from same race point fail to top the fed by bad trapping(due to neighbour.

same cock in 2009 failed to top the fed by bad trapping...same racepoint.

 

3 times last year our club topped the same fed by racing natural...bar one of them at 254mls..other two at 91mls.

 

 

now im not saying over the course of a season a widowhood cock would not achieve a better amount of wins..just saying dont discount natural cocks

[Bugsy]

There is absolutely no difference on any given day between motivated natural pigeons and widowhood, its down to the famous three - health, fitness and motivation. Granted widowers will sustain a higher level of consistent performance but never discount the natural boys.

[fletch]

i would say widdowood for sprint but a good natural bird trying will be hard to stop from any race point

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

well the point of the matter is , that a natural cock driving has the same motivation as the widowhood cook but where next week the natural cock will be sitting and coming off form the widowhood will still be on form for that week the week after ect so you might get your natural cock on form for maybe twice a season where he can match the widowhood cocks but the widowhood cocks will be on form 6 to 8 weeks of the season

[Guest stb-]

good pigeons will win on widowhood or natural  week in week out

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

good pigeons will win on widowhood or natural  week in week out

 

mmmmmm no they wont

[Roland]

Think  the Natural flyers outshine the widowers in our Fed. Especially at the distance. Natural have dominated not only the fed, but the two longest Algamations too for last few years. Yes many Naturals are now beating the widowers. 2003 had a youngster reported in Durham way where they started racing in March. Fellow say Natural dominate the earlier races at the springt now due to lack of sun ...

But there are many other facets to be taken into account when one realises just how much the natural boys changed a lot of the old 'Way it has always been ' and moved ahead with the times. A different ball ame now, because they had to. Simple as that I guess.