Returns Sunday 10/08/08

[Taylorsloft]

SU08NE630  in aberdeen

[Jumbo]

Steve it a Deveron valley bird phone 01261 831742 A Fulton

[HOMER49]

perhaps we are all to blame.five races and we are at 160 miles next race 240 miles members passed this crazy program at agm and i am as bad. have not attended last three agms. started program with 25 young 3 left 22 lost in 3weeks.  john thompson

 

Hi John

Yes your are partly to blame for not attending your feds AGM

But your race program for y/b is to far too soon

carlsberg is correct in my opion and he is flying in Derbyshire not to the North of Scotland

Hope your meeting is sensible and remember it is y/bs

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

[nogin]

HOMER 49 ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT ?

[Blue Tooner]

thats the thing bluetooner

you will never know webmaster has told you it was dry in st andrews so thats my myth out the window and yours look more of a correct one

but if you moved inland how far would you move?

 

The fed would have to study the maps carefully, possibly around 30- 40 miles west of Alnwick (or even further?) which would give the youngsters the opportunity to cross the firth of forth where it is not at it's widest and also give a direct line over land to the centre of our feds radius and do away with the dogleg. But then again would this bring the Pentland Hills into play? :-/ The emphasis here is the welfare of the pigeons and not which clubs gain or lose distance wise.

The first person to get the blame for a bad race is the race controller, but all I can say is that they try their best to give us a race, and if it turns bad they get it in the neck and the other side of the coin, if they think the forecast is bad and don't liberate, there are cries of "why didn't he liberate" they can never win.

 

 

[HOMER49]

HOMER 49 ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT ?

 

Hi

Seen your PM

With that time you take the first 25 postions but then mine had to see yours safely HOME

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[nogin]

 

Hi

Seen your PM

With that time you take the first 25 postions but then mine had to see yours safely HOME

Cheers

Homer 49

 

HOMER 49 ASK BIG JIM AND G BAIN YOURS WENT THE OTHER WAY ....... ;D

 

[HOMER49]

 

The fed would have to study the maps carefully, possibly around 30- 40 miles west of Alnwick (or even further?) which would give the youngsters the opportunity to cross the firth of forth where it is not at it's widest and also give a direct line over land to the centre of our feds radius and do away with the dogleg. But then again would this bring the Pentland Hills into play? :-/ The emphasis here is the welfare of the pigeons and not which clubs gain or lose distance wise.

The first person to get the blame for a bad race is the race controller, but all I can say is that they try their best to give us a race, and if it turns bad they get it in the neck and the other side of the coin, if they think the forecast is bad and don't liberate, there are cries of "why didn't he liberate" they can never win.

 

 

Hi

Have a look at a village called Carnwath in Lanarkshire

Your birds going north would be on the west side of the Pentlands and cross at South Queensferry

The lib site is perfect

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[nogin]

 

Hi

Have a look at a village called Carnwath in Lanarkshire

Your birds going north would be on the west side of the Pentlands and cross at South Queensferry

The lib site is perfect

Cheers

Homer 49

 

HOMER 49 YOU FORGOT TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE PERIGRINES NEST SITE 500 YDs AWAY. FROM LIB SITE.

 

[Guest IB]

I am more than aware of the problems with east v West arguement within the Midland fed.

 

All i am saying, is it is there right to collectavley make the desision to go dowm the west coast if they  choose to do so.

 

Whats more they should have the right to do so, without being wound up after every race.

 

Redwhiteblue you are entitiled to you oppinion,and in many ways think you are spot on.

 

However it is no ones business barr theres

 

 

Happy days

 

I'd raised this question during the close season when Lanarkshire made the decision to go West Coast in 2008. We now know what happened there, and it was pretty predictable.

 

There comes a time surely when it is more than just 'Feds business' and serious questions need to be asked on whether conduct is proper in Law and in keeping with maintaining a good reputation for the sport..

 

You cannot just continue to throw pigeons away particularly when you 'suspect' the cause may be the conditions on the route you have chosen, especially in the face of advice from professionals and SHU not to go there, and you leave yourself open to legal action thro causing harm to animals in your care.

[frank-123]

bruno it is nothing to do with anybody apart from midland federation members

i also think they are making a mistake going that route but i cant vote at there agm but we of course can have an opinion

[chrissyboy]

Is it not the case it is the weather that causes losses of pigeon,poor visibility , electric disturbance in air , consistent east winds not just route Dr Lynch stated the population of predators was significant on both sides of Britain .Is  it not stated on site about raptors at cities up and down the British Isles.Again the weather hasent been kind the last three weeks and the race by fanciers in Aberdeen from the east coast shows that .

[johno]

philip lynch is a medical doctor who keeps pigeons and is no authority on predators. the authority hired by the shu at a significant cost was doctor andrew dixon a well know and respected authority on such matters. doctor dixon reported that the incidence of predators on the old routes being flown by the scottish fancy are home to the heaviest population of peregrines in europe. he made a good number of suggestions on action fanciers could take. most of these have been ignored. one of his major findings was that if we continue to race down the old routes we will continue to loose most of our pigeons to the predaotrs. no matter what anyone says the facts back these reports. any fed racing the old routes have experienced significantly greater losses than those racing the easterly alternative. other than one fed all other feds have changed back to the easterly option half way through the season.

[chrissyboy]

How is it the case then that Eyemouth fanciers cannot let their birds on a daily basis due to attack by raptors and have to train their birds to keep them fit, you will experience raptor attacks anywhere, they  are everywhere.

[johno]

i think there are peregrines every where. the proven facts state that while this is the case there are much denser populations down the old routes. the racing that the few feds who persist in going these routes have had answers all the questions. thats all i am saying. if people want to go these routes that is their choice.

[Guest IB]

bruno it is nothing to do with anybody apart from midland federation members

i also think they are making a mistake going that route but i cant vote at there agm but we of course can have an opinion

 

My point Frank was that it is exactly the opposite and others could / should concern themselves in it. In your own opinion and from your own experience of the consequences of flying that route, does continuing to fly it sound like "conduct ... of a reasonably competent and humane person" in the extract below?

 

GUIDANCE ON THE ANIMAL WELFARE PROVISIONS (PART 2) OF THE ANIMAL HEALTH AND WELFARE (SCOTLAND) ACT 2006

 

17. The courts will be able to take a number of factors into consideration in determining whether suffering is unnecessary. These include whether the suffering could reasonably have been avoided or reduced; .. the purpose of the conduct; the proportionality of the suffering to the purpose; and whether the conduct was that of a reasonably competent and humane person.

 

18. Suffering includes mental as well as physical suffering..

 

 

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/972/0040944.pdf

 

 

[Guest spin cycle]

we raced yesterday. because of fog at mkt rasen we went to sleaford . 5/6 best race so far

 

got the last today..first yb race this year i've got all home

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

 

I'd raised this question during the close season when Lanarkshire made the decision to go West Coast in 2008. We now know what happened there, and it was pretty predictable.

 

There comes a time surely when it is more than just 'Feds business' and serious questions need to be asked on whether conduct is proper in Law and in keeping with maintaining a good reputation for the sport..

 

You cannot just continue to throw pigeons away particularly when you 'suspect' the cause may be the conditions on the route you have chosen, especially in the face of advice from professionals and SHU not to go there, and you leave yourself open to legal action thro causing harm to animals in your care.

 

This is a very good point IB.I except your arguement,and line of thought.

 

Much better way than snipping at people about there returns.

 

Many of the problems in our sport is caused by lack of direction and strong leadership.In such matters, it is to to the SHU that we loook in order to keep our integratey. Where are they?

 

Good thread

 

Cheers

 

Rab Smith

[ALF]

 

This is a very good point IB.I except your arguement,and line of thought.

 

Much better way than snipping at people about there returns.

 

Many of the problems in our sport is caused by lack of direction and strong leadership.In such matters, it is to to the SHU that we loook in order to keep our integratey. Where are they?

 

Good thread

 

Cheers

 

Rab Smith

 

Problems in our sport??? I think most them them are caused by the people i have highlighted Rab

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Very True Mate

 

Young birds coming on great mate

 

Thanks again

 

Cheers

 

Rab

[ALF]

Very True Mate

 

Young birds coming on great mate

 

Thanks again

 

Cheers

 

Rab

 

Good mate let's hope they do you a turn next year ;)

[VAGIN]

Maybe the fault is with all the North of Scotland Fed members as they no longer have a convoyer traveling with the birds The only persons with the birds was the driver and his son who do not have any experience with the birds as this is there first season convoying. Im sure you wouldnt ask any Tom, Dick,  Harry , too give your birds a training toss  So why do it on a race day   Im not blaming the driver or his son as they were only doing a job as they have done a fine job up too now. ( Covoyer needed )

[frank-123]

teach the driver to be the convoyer pay him well cheaper that way

[Guest]

 

that controller wont be phoning you next week .and  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X

 

yes he will (kewl)(kewl)(kewl)