Tony C Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Joe the only reason I put up rule 188 is because there’s nothing in the rules saying you cant do it. If your going to stop someone sending you’ve got to have grounds. As there’s no rules to cover this the only way I can see you stopping someone sending is use a rule which can be interpreted in such a way. If it gets taken to the region they will then have to make or get a ruling. I cant see a region making a ruling without an appeal being put in front of them.
Williedoo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 I cant see the problem,if a pigeon is carrying two official union rings,these numbers must go on the race sheet,you cant say one of the rings is not official just because it is taped up.
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Yes it could and that is why I am going to try and get rule 96 amended through my region. See reply 373 on this topic fair enough but what about nationals could u have the situation where flyers are flying under rules where they cant double ring and and fanicers that can
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Simple, if you are flying under rules where you can't double ring, then what's the problem. If you are flying under rules where birds can be double rung then my suggested amendment to rule 96 means that the ring year has to be the same on both rings
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 thanks for putting that up tony my point is the same as yours yuo can do it no rule to say you cant double rung bird old bird racing nom old bird ring young bird racing nom young bird ring as long as the year and number on a ring are the same as whats on the race sheet no problems oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 imagine this countless hits too the thread a great number of replies some people think this is a form of cheating so we can count this as a very serious thread think we all agree on that much (i hope ) and we cant get an answer to the question from the rpra even if they had of said this is something we will or are looking into and will come up at the next agm or something to this effect no noting like this basically what they have done is passed the crap down the line to us members that will have too see this problem probally this year what would happen if a member turns up at marking station and club refuses to mark his birds lets say it a major race big money involved and he brings the club for not marking his birds either through the the law of the land i.e courts or through the rpra could he then sue the marking station for losses of moneys that occurred during the race or will he go after the rpra i would imagine if he goes after the rpra they will say its the marking station that is liable as we have seen here already they do want to pass the buck this could happen couldn't it :-/ So what is this person going to say in court? Your Honour I was trying to cheat by hiding the ring that would show it to be a young bird and they would not let me race. To hide the fact it is a young bird is cheating and If you cannot see that then you blind to the truth.
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout we been down this road if it was classed as cheating there would be a rule against it end of out of intrest what is the iu slant on this practice oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 thanks for putting that up tony my point is the same as yours yuo can do it no rule to say you cant double rung bird old bird racing nom old bird ring young bird racing nom young bird ring as long as the year and number on a ring are the same as whats on the race sheet no problems oh happy days There is no rule to say you cannot put two rings on a bird but there is a rule to say dishonourable conduct is breaking the rules. If you put an old ring on a young bird to make people believe it is an old bird then you are guilty of dishonourable conduct. If yo hide the fact it is a young bird so it can race with old birds you are guilty of dishonourable conduct . Doing what you are doing in order to deceive people is dishonourable conduct. What part of that do you not understand?
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 how do you know its a young bird ring if you cant take the tape off only the person who put the tape on knows what year the ring is oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 well come on guys how we gunna get round that last post oh happy days
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 well come on guys how we gunna get round that last post oh happy days TAKE THE TAPE OFF AND HAVE A LOOK,WORRY ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCIES AFTER,THATS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR CLUB.
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 how do you know its a young bird ring if you cant take the tape off only the person who put the tape on knows what year the ring is oh happy days Could you just remind me the number of the rule which states you cant take the tape off,just in case.LOL.
hotrod Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Could you just remind me the number of the rule which states you cant take the tape off,just in case.LOL. just been watch joe 61 nearly 62 take the proverbialy pi@@ out of all you'se
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeomman you are not allowed to tamper with someone elses pigeon unless they give permission to do so oh happy days
gooner Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 you ask the member to take it off . if he refuses then he has something to hide
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 how do you know its a young bird ring if you cant take the tape off only the person who put the tape on knows what year the ring is oh happy days Joe61 so you are saying it is ok to cheat and so long as you do not get caught? Who says I cannot take the tape off? once you hand me that bird on marking night I can make any checks I want to satisfy myself that the bird has a right to be raced in your name. Your clock belongs to you but I can take it out of its box open it and check it to make sure everything is in order. Show me the rule that says I must race mark every bird you hand me.
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeomman you are not allowed to tamper with someone elses pigeon unless they give permission to do so oh happy days And as I have said before once you hand that bird to him you have just given him permission to tamper with it.
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeomman you are not allowed to tamper with someone elses pigeon unless they give permission to do so oh happy days I asked for the rule number that says that I cant take the tape off the ring.
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout and pigeonman watch my lips you race the ring not the pigeon so if the ring which is exposed tallys with the ring number on the race sheet what else is there to look at it does not state the coulor of the pigeon on the ring so in the basket it goes oh happy days
ALF Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout and pigeonman watch my lips you race the ring not the pigeon so if the ring which is exposed tallys with the ring number on the race sheet what else is there to look at it does not state the coulor of the pigeon on the ring so in the basket it goes oh happy days NOT IN MY CLUB IT WOULD'NT...
hotrod Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout and pigeonman watch my lips you race the ring not the pigeon so if the ring which is exposed tallys with the ring number on the race sheet what else is there to look at it does not state the coulor of the pigeon on the ring so in the basket it goes oh happy days sorry for butting in again joe , but you've not answered a question above where in the rules does it say that the race marker cant look at the ring(s) on the birds leg, there is a rule about id rings in old bird racing not being allowed , well in my opinion a ring thats taped up is a marker/id ring , as you can identify your birds in the basket easily therefore so can anyone else for that matter which is NOT ALLOWED/AGAINST THE RULES
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 joe, time for the Hedrin, your nit pickin ;D ;D ;D ;D
jimmy white Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 joe, time for the Hedrin, your nit pickin ;D ;D ;D ;D time for the hedrin ;D ;D ;D ;D time for the aspirin ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 alf i know not in your club you race under shu rules hotrod your not butting in in my opinion id would meen the identity of the pigeon as you know any fancier worth his salt could pick his bird out from 16 birds in a crate by just looking at the crate a taped up ring would make no difference im off to take an asprin oh happy days
hotrod Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 alf i know not in your club you race under shu rules hotrod your not butting in in my opinion id would meen the identity of the pigeon as you know any fancier worth his salt could pick his bird out from 16 birds in a crate by just looking at the crate a taped up ring would make no difference im off to take an asprin. hope your headache is now ok but were not talking about a fancier that worth his salt, are we , we are talking about a deperado trying to win at all costs, and in MY OPINION he's a cheat, he being anyone who practices this oh sad days oh happy days
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