dazza Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Joe you must be really really lonely!!! Dazza
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Joe you are telling fanciers on this site they are not breaking any rules. So tell them what they should say in their own defence when they are suspended under rule 70(a) for deceit. Should they say I did not know it was a 2009 ring under the tape. Some guy on the Internet said it was ok. Tell me Joe what should they say.
jacksafc Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Gazza, thiis bird couldnt have won the 08 yb and ob nationals then the 09 yb and ob nationals races cos it wasnt born in 08, its only wearing the ring, it wasnt actually there.
jacksafc Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 BlueCheqPied can you tell me how 2 rings would enable you to race race a bird to 2 locations and how this would be done to benefit anyone.
pigeonscout Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Joe if someone orders some young birds from your website does it come double rung so they can as you say bend the rules. Tell me Joe what one of the two ring numbers do you put on your young birds pedigree. Talking of pedigrees if it is ok to bend the rules so long as no one can prove it is it then ok to bend the pedigrees of your birds.
pigeonscout Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Gazza, thiis bird couldnt have won the 08 yb and ob nationals then the 09 yb and ob nationals races cos it wasnt born in 08, its only wearing the ring, it wasnt actually there. The ring of a winning bird that has died could be put on a young bird and have the credit for winning those races before going to the stock loft. and when the direct van X stops filling his eggs his ring could be put onto a young bird and the ring number for that direct van X can go on filling eggs for 20 + years.
joe61 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 pigeonscout your the one who came up with a way of flying to a loft 20 miles shorter so to win races then you come up with a way of falsefying pedigrees then with a way getting a bird to fill its eggs after being dead for 20 years all that you say is down right dishonest i hope its not some thing you practice as you seem to know a lot about how to be dishonest if i was a fancier i would be worring about you not a pigeon with 2 rings on and just for the record pigeonscout i dont cheat in any way shape or form so lets keep the debate on the subject as stated on thread heading oh happy days
gooner Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 you know me i never argue i just debate paul 2 rings regesterd to same person one 08 one 09 o9 taped so race ob 08 taped so race yb pigeonscout none because one is taped up and not in use at said time so has no need for verification its as plain as the nose on your face oh happy days if it is taped up how do you know it is registered to the said person
dazza Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 jacks i did not say it won the 08 national. It can win the 09 old bird first then an 09 yearling race, followed by the 09 young bird national, and then in 2010 it can win the yearling national again. Dazza
breakaway Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 the ring registered to the member? thats all you need
joe61 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 morning gooner and dazza gooner this is it racing this year ring baby with 2008 ring on one leg 2009 on other tape up 2009 ring register2008 ring at club to race as old bird 2009 young bird season starts tape up 2008 ring register 2009 ring at club to race as young bird ok before you all start jumping around and kicking the dog letme say im not telling people to go and do this its up to them if they want to do it they will if they dont they wont its a loop hole in the rules so if people want to use iy to there addvantage thats up to them its been going on for 20 or 30 years and now your just waking up to the smell of coffee oh happy days
gooner Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 the ring registered to the member? thats all you need but a bird cannot be registered to 2 members
gooner Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 morning gooner and dazza gooner this is it racing this year ring baby with 2008 ring on one leg 2009 on other tape up 2009 ring register2008 ring at club to race as old bird 2009 young bird season starts tape up 2008 ring register 2009 ring at club to race as young bird ok before you all start jumping around and kicking the dog letme say im not telling people to go and do this its up to them if they want to do it they will if they dont they wont its a loop hole in the rules so if people want to use iy to there addvantage thats up to them its been going on for 20 or 30 years and now your just waking up to the smell of coffee oh happy days i have raced pigeons since i was a boy firstly in hertfordshire and now in norfolk and until this thread came up had never heard or seen this being practised, in my opinion its wrong, this has been a great thread but ithink its now run its course and we need to find a new topic as this one is going round in circles oh happy days
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 BlueCheqPied can you tell me how 2 rings would enable you to race race a bird to 2 locations and how this would be done to benefit anyone. It is not rocket science. I never mentioned it benefiting anyone. My point was about ring verification and registration but some people do fly to two loft locations it would open a can of worms in my opinion.
joe61 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 gooner you most probably never thought about it before like most on here never enterd thier pretty little heads mate oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 bluecheqpied i know where you are going with the 2 loft thing if a guy wins a race then 2 members from club go to loft to verify bird meaning to make sure bird homes to that loft is this not so i could be wrong as not raced for years or rules changed or lazyness set in oh happy days
Williedoo Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Just get on with it then,Im glad it would not be aloud to happen up here.
joe61 Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 me to willie me to mate willie as bob dylan once said THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Joe anyone reading this thread can see I am the one against cheating and you are the one for it. You can call it bending the rules I call it cheating. Yes I agree, I know how some people have cheated and thanks to you I now know another way they cheat by using two rings. Knowing how to cheat by putting two rings on a bird does not make me a cheat. Putting two rings on a bird like your telling people to do to cheat people into thinking it is an old bird does. So lets get the facts right I am the one against cheating and you are the one telling people it is ok to do so because no one has the right to take the tape off the ring to prove you are cheating. I must have touched a raw nerve with my last post, was it that you that runs a stud thinks it is ok to put old rings on young birds so you can fool people. PS If you want to stick to the question (when is a young bird not a young bird) the answer is simple when it has not got a young bird ring on any of its two legs. You cannot get a young bird ring onto an old birds leg so it has to be a young bird if wearing a young bird ring.
Fair Play Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 What a sad OLD MAN you are joe61 teaching the art of deceit & deception to all the younger members of the forum, you are definitely not joe90 he was reputated to be intelligent
Roland Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Our Fed have past Y/b's with Y/B'S rings on as eligable to fly from End of June. Wasn't at one time allowed to take prizes etc. just the card. Then hardly ever sent.... I wonder why!
jacksafc Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 Cant stay long boys as its fally down friday, we're never going to agree, over the years racing methods have changed primarily down to a handful of good flyers pushing the boundaries and using a little ingenuity, no-ones being hurt and no-ones being cheated, all the members involved in the races are aware of the 2 rings and all have the option to do the same, including the additional work involved At one time fanciers campaigned for natural only clubs to keep the widowhood men out, now top sprint men race young cocks on widowhood, its caled progress. Other countries race young birds out to 400 miles while we stick to 200, the 2 ring bit has allowed fanciers to make inroads into that distance and eventually it will become standard for distance fanciers, you see the specialist clubs now promoting 350/400 mile young bird races. There is no advantage in having 2 rings on a bird with regard to any fiddles or scams that some on here seem to have knowledge of, these can be done with a single ring if the fancier is so inclined, thankfully 99% of us are not, the 2 lofts and 2 owners scenario mentioned earlier is absolute rubbish. It just suits some fanciers to just stand there and shout "ur cheating" lo
pigeonscout Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 Cant stay long boys as its fally down friday, we're never going to agree, over the years racing methods have changed primarily down to a handful of good flyers pushing the boundaries and using a little ingenuity, no-ones being hurt and no-ones being cheated, all the members involved in the races are aware of the 2 rings and all have the option to do the same, including the additional work involved At one time fanciers campaigned for natural only clubs to keep the widowhood men out, now top sprint men race young cocks on widowhood, its caled progress. Other countries race young birds out to 400 miles while we stick to 200, the 2 ring bit has allowed fanciers to make inroads into that distance and eventually it will become standard for distance fanciers, you see the specialist clubs now promoting 350/400 mile young bird races. There is no advantage in having 2 rings on a bird with regard to any fiddles or scams that some on here seem to have knowledge of, these can be done with a single ring if the fancier is so inclined, thankfully 99% of us are not, the 2 lofts and 2 owners scenario mentioned earlier is absolute rubbish. It just suits some fanciers to just stand there and shout "ur cheating" lo I agree with most of what you have to say and I have no problem with fanciers racing young birds with old birds if they so wish. I do have a problem with people racing young birds with old birds if it is not permitted to do so. If they want to race young birds with old birds then they should get the rule changed and not cheat that rule by double ringing an old ring to cheat the race marker into thinking it is an old bird. The very reason for double ringing is to deceive hard working fanciers who are doing their very best to be successful within the rules. The only way to be successful in this sport is good birds and hard work if you cannot win fair and square then you have won nothing no matter what your results say.
Guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Posted February 14, 2009 no frank one is taped up oh happy days but it still goes to the race so you are racing 2 different year rings at once so maybe the rset of us can tape up the wings stipid that but so is this scam about 2 rings
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