Inbreeding

[lanarkshire lad]

Hi does anyone think that mating cousins is too close or mating uncle to niece?

[superstar]

Hi does anyone think that mating cousins is too close or mating uncle to niece?

 

Goes on all the time in Leominster just up the road from me. They are famous for their webbed feet now lol

[just ask me]

can be good to keep as a stock bird if u think u have a good certain line or a pigeon u want to breed around there not to close but for new starters to the sport i would advice to stick to crosses if u want to know more about inbreeding i would say the jannsen story is the book to read

[ChrisMaidment08]

can tell you that dad to daughter doe.s trick first nest both first prize winners

[bewted]

can tell you that dad to daughter doe.s trick first nest both first prize winners

 

dad to daughter is no where near as inbreeding than you think it is !!! same with mother and son,,,,it gets closer as you go down further in the breeding from the progeny of the first two matings as described !!!!

[ChrisMaidment08]

just cos i had egg rolls  and tea     :P   but youer right i would not go further i have 8 vanden bosh here so inbred they look like clones all down from 1 pair

[Guest slugmonkey]

uncle Niece, half brother sister grand parent grandchild these are all good matings for racing as long as neither is inbred

[Ronnie]

I'm going father to daughter this year with one pair .the cock is something special in my eyes so want to try and reproduce as close as possible .I lost the parents when i moved house .

[just ask me]

I'm going father to daughter this year with one pair .the cock is something special in my eyes so want to try and reproduce as close as possible .I lost the parents when i moved house .

 

just be carefull as inbredding that colse is risky as the young can show the good points in the parents but in some cases they can come week and a lot of bad points are really shown up if u get a good one straight in stock loft would be my hint

[REDCHEQHEN]

I'm going father to daughter this year with one pair .the cock is something special in my eyes so want to try and reproduce as close as possible .I lost the parents when i moved house .

 

Its slightly off the subject - but still relevant - as it was in the news the other week

 

a father got his daughter(s) pregnant on 17 occasions this resulted in 10 non-viable (miscarriage or dying shortly after birth) and 7 that were viable - but gave no indication of any health problems that the children may be suffering from

[Guest youngzimmy]

BROTHER TO SISTER AND IF THEY TURN OUT OK GREAT AS OUT CROSSES HAVE TRIED IT WITHOUT PROBLEMS

[Roland]

Its slightly off the subject - but still relevant - as it was in the news the other week

 

a father got his daughter(s) pregnant on 17 occasions this resulted in 10 non-viable (miscarriage or dying shortly after birth) and 7 that were viable - but gave no indication of any health problems that the children may be suffering from

 

Exactly, and why I never even dream of closer than second cousin.

Just look at the monstrousities of the royal family... and the ones in the Freak Shows' in circuses. Many were bonkers and dim witted, with cousins.

You can't buck nature.

And 'Line Breeding' is completely different than Inbreeding.

Look how the shape of the poor alsation show dog with tapered away *expletive removed*.

 

[peterpau]

Hmm do I take it, like me you're not a fan of the royals Roland. LOL.

[Guest IB]

Not exactly pigeon related, but I think it may be relevant to the discussion.

 

Watched a Discovery Channel program on a transmissable cancer in Tasmanian Devils which over 10 years wiped out a huge proprtion of the 'northern population' on the Island.

 

You can't normally catch cancer off another individual (it's your own body cells that turn cancerous) so that itself was a World first, and it was down to long-term inbreeding in the population. They were so inbred the immune system could not tell the difference between 'self' and 'non-self'.

 

Tasmanian Devils are very aggressive creatures, always biting and tearing lumps out of one another - male & female - about the face, the place this cancer attacked. When an infected animal bit or was bitten, cancer cells were transferred in the bite to the uninfected animal. Its immune system could not 'see' any difference in the infected animal's DNA, so it didn't attack these infected cells, it was fooled into believing they were part of its own body, and allowed the infected cells to invade it.

 

I think though that it is only continuous inbreeding that leads to degeneration like this. Even in totally unrelated individuals, odd genetic things do happen, .e.g. Downs Syndrome in, humans. After all, inbreeding is one of many recognised practices in breeding pedigree animals.

 

 

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

not a problem just use your head

[sammy]

http://www.geocities.com/fvarro/inbreeding/index.html have a wee look through this might be quite educational for young and old

[Guest]

http://www.geocities.com/fvarro/inbreeding/index.html have a wee look through this might be quite educational for young and old

;)interesting ,thought i was doing right thing 1/2 brother - sister pairing ?? seems i have a few years to go (generations) before i reproduce any champions ??             andy.

 

 

[sammy]

;)interesting ,thought i was doing right thing 1/2 brother - sister pairing ?? seems i have a few years to go (generations) before i reproduce any champions ??             andy.

 

well they did clone a SHEEP andy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Ulsterlofts]

Ron Williamsons Champion " Millennium Superstar " is Father & Daughter mating

 

Results of " Ron-Ville Millennium Superstar "

 

1st Open 22,585 birds

1st Open 22,889 birds

1st Open 23,767 birds

2nd Open 24,105 birds ( beat by loft mate )

3rd Open   3,421 birds  ( beat by 2 loft mates )

16th Open 20,599 birds

 

Irish region RPRA Sprint Champion

Irish region RPRA Any Distance Champion

UK National RPRA Sprint Champion

UK National RPRA Any Distance Champion

[Guest rodders]

iv allways had sucess with half brother nd sister matings

[Roland]

Well actually I agree with the 'Immediate' royal family. I believe the Queen has done well for an ole fossil regards the immense changes in the past 50 years.

Like Charles as he actually pays Income Tax on his profits etc.

Now the hangers on... get shot of them, they are all well and good but should be completely self supporting. No hand outs for Princess Micheal / Duke this taht and the other.

But as regards the actual institute of the the 'Royal' Family, they are our biggest asset in regards money making. The 'Sight See 'ers alone add billins to our coffers, so that has to be a good thing. And no other royal family in the world has the carrisma, and pom / ceromy that ours do. So yes, they are a big money earner for us.

[Guest slugmonkey]

They do make bank!!!

there are a lot of folks here that are fascinated with the royals !!!

 

Try breeding half brother / sister then breed these back to original hen / cock, then breed these back to half brother/grandparent  then cross these out breed children of this back into line

[jimmy white]

there was a great thread on b4 about genetics etc, i have topped the fed b4 with a bird, bred from two nest mates  [both fed winners] , this happened by accident , as i borrowed my freinds fed winner [he approached me] to mate with my fed winner , then split the youngsters between each  other,, after i had topped the fed with this yb , i asked ny freind for the borrowed birds pedigree [i knew we got them from the same place] ,,,this is when we found out , the parents were in fact nest mates  

i dont think i would advocate that [but it certainly worked in this situation]

i have found , that by mating a good" inbred to winners,"  hen,,,,,,,,to a different " inbred to winners "  cock , have prooved to be good racers,  as then it becomes "the hybrid vigour"  [which can lack in closely inbred pigeons]

 

have also found father and daughter breeding, or daughter to son breeding , ideal for the above matings ,i.e producing race winners