OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 oldyellow i have said to you before if you take three birds to the vet and they are given the all clear but the fifty you have in the loft have something wrong with them the vet only tested your three birds can you tell us what prizes you have won by using this vet ? i know hotrod and frankdooman are quite successful flyers i could copy more prize cards if you wish but would prove nothing lets see my results this year using my methods
robbiedoo. Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 cant understand why treat for canker , cocci and worms if your dont need it its doing the birds no good nor your pockets .
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 vet told me not to change what im doing so ill listen to my vet
robbiedoo. Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 im the same as you oldyellow get my droppings tested and swab done . if they,ve not got it why treat for it
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 you'l be on the road to great things Robbie i assure you but use some good natural preventaives for 3 days a week from mon to wednesday you wont need to medicate unless you get a very persistant strain but regular screening will prevent it and make your misses happier not running for pills every 2 minutes and emptying bank ballance
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 not respiritry , bug build up naturaly look it up on wikipedia very interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea#Medicinal_effectsno old yellow NOW YOU GO AND READ THE BACK OF BOTTLE it helps respitory
robbiedoo. Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 oldyellow beleive it or not my last year youngsters have never been treated for canker,cocci or worms nor they will be unless they get any which i doubt . i think people treating for this and that are asking for trouble playing about with the immune system.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 ill have a read in morning aint off to loft now must be working tho dont have respiritry either
PATTY BHOY Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 you should treat only when it is needed.
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 No offence, but it's far from common sense. Firstly, most of the products used to 'treat' these are antibiotics. Secondly, an antibiotic does not kill all the organisms, or the disease, it only reduces their numbers long enough / to a level which the immune system can clears them, the immune system has to wrk to do that final cleanout. Thirdly, any organisms left over after treatment becomes immune to the whole class of medication used, quickly multiplies back to former levels, and eventually become superbugs immune to everything you use. So it would appear that it needs to be a disease level before treatment works. So-called preventative treatment on something that is at low levels would appear to be the worst of all the options. If it's low, the bird should be clearing it out itself. Totally different matter when levels are high - but then again doesn't that raise another question - on the birds constitution? OK ,right ian ,you have said that most of these treatments are antibiotics ,WHAT one's?
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 oldyellow beleive it or not my last year youngsters have never been treated for canker,cocci or worms nor they will be unless they get any which i doubt . i think people treating for this and that are asking for trouble playing about with the immune system. i do same you wouldnt take a medicine you dint need unless a doctor told you so and thats how i am with my birds lost 2 ybs last season flown natural to 215 miles , lost 3 to hawk in last week of racing around loft , if people want to treat thats up to them my birds will be less supceptable to picking up anything as will have a superior immune system to those who prop up with medicines
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 ill have a read in morning aint off to loft now must be working tho dont have respiritry either i'll tell you word for word ok.(concentrated greens and plant extract.naturaline has a beneficial effect on the respitory,digestive and urinery tracts) this is what i take from this, Greens are very high in iron which to me would mean an iron tonic.
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 vet told me not to change what im doing so ill listen to my vet were's the swab sample for canker it only say's dropping samples?
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 enchinea is also from flowers as well as greens but still prevent bad bug build up and helps the immune system so a great product
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 were's the swab sample for canker it only say's dropping samples? do you get to first word then stop reading ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D droppings , canker and canidida
frank-123 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 respiratory how would a vet check that is that a throat swab or droppings?
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 respiratory how would a vet check that is that a throat swab or droppings? throat swab
thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Posted February 17, 2009 Todays top winners are healthy pigeons and to keep them healthy you need to be on top of them at all times and pigeons pick all sorts up in the race baskets,ie cocci canker worms etc etc etc,so yes i do treat through the season,it dusnt make them poorly it keeps them healthy and free from disease,so i guess theres many who do treat but theres those that dont,it upto them ,but when there loosing there birds then its time to ask themselves why. les hi les, can i ask you have you ever had any sickness problems?. are your birds poorly before you treat them? what happens if you don't treat?
REDCHEQHEN Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 respiratory how would a vet check that is that a throat swab or droppings? its more a visual thing (looking in the throat) but it can be detected from a swab
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 enchinea is also from flowers as well as greens but still prevent bad bug build up and helps the immune system so a great product i think its a great product,but echinecea well the right stuff is from th root of the plant echinecea puepura (spelling?) the right name for it. and it will only have a very small amount in a litre bottle or it would cost a hole lot more , you can get it from holland&barrett made by bioforce and for a small bottle(25ml) its about £6.00?
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 what about wet canker how do you test for that?
REDCHEQHEN Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 i think its a great product,but echinecea well the right stuff is from th root of the plant echinecea puepura (spelling?) the right name for it. and it will only have a very small amount in a litre bottle or it would cost a hole lot more , you can get it from holland&barrett made by bioforce and for a small bottle(25ml) its about £6.00? I used it in capsule form (echinacea) sprinkled on the feed - then I got a HUGE bottle of tablets cheap - which I crush and put on the food - it stinks (puke)
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 what about wet canker how do you test for that? via the dropings
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 via the dropings cant tell with droppings oldyellow
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