thunderboult Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 hi, i would like to know what percentage of fancier's who use antibiotics on a regular basis(every year/month/week) get any form of sickness in they're birds . i don't use antibiotics and have never had any yb sickness or any other kind of sickness which i think is because of the birds higher natural immunity. what are your views on this?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCHEQHEN Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 There's loads of threads on here on this subject People say they don't treat - then go on to say 'except for cocci canker and worms' er well..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 if fanciers knew that's where there problems stemed from i guess the would stop using them, your birds can look good, as is them looking in excellent health, its two different issues as well, its all down to as you see it , but there is quite a big diferance in the two if you asked me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strapper Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 obviously there are those that get sickness and theres those that dont get it,and then theres those that get it but say nothing as if its a crime to get it. then again theres those that ignore it and possibly spread illness because they leave their birds to get over it and send to races ...then moan if they lose birds and blame it on the race controllers. some say its best to let them get over the sickness without treatment, then see them asking in posts how much of this and that medication do i give to my birds. if we left humans to fend off illnesses without treatment how many would be dead needlessly?. if i treat its for a reason... not just cos everyone is doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schouwman71 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Todays top winners are healthy pigeons and to keep them healthy you need to be on top of them at all times and pigeons pick all sorts up in the race baskets,ie cocci canker worms etc etc etc,so yes i do treat through the season,it dusnt make them poorly it keeps them healthy and free from disease,so i guess theres many who do treat but theres those that dont,it upto them ,but when there loosing there birds then its time to ask themselves why. les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 its some of the comments that stop fanciers from telling the truth on here treating for cocci/canker/worms doesnt mean using antibiotics but as soon as any one mentions any thing some one says antibiotics and the next thing will be that antibiotics are enhancment drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 its some of the comments that stop fanciers from telling the truth on here treating for cocci/canker/worms doesnt mean using antibiotics but as soon as any one mentions any thing some one says antibiotics and the next thing will be that antibiotics are enhancment drugs they are enhancement drugs are'nt they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 u can treat for cocci worms canker without using anti biotics i would say 98% of top flyers use some form of anti biotics for respiratory during the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 u can treat for cocci worms canker without using anti biotics i would say 98% of top flyers use some form of anti biotics for respiratory during the season are they using it because they think the bird as respiratory problems or are they giving it for the boost giving antibiotics gives. i've seen it myself, some dvd's i got show top belgium fancier's giving antibiotics before a big race. so when i first started i got suckered into believing this and tried it, the first time i tried it i gave a worming tablet to this particular bird and was waiting in the house for the birds to come home when this particular bird landed on the roof, i my excitment i ran out the loft with my dogs following and frightened him off, i later found out he would have topped the fed easy, so i thought there's something in this . later that season i tried the same thing with the same cock and he came again but this time i got him in and he won. thinking that was the answer, i tried it with some more going to a channel race . this time i gave a spartrix tablet(as i'd seen the belgiums doing) but the birds ended up being held over for 3or4 days and i had a terrible race being hours behind everyone(who all had an easy race, with near 100% returns) and lost most of the birds i sent, i think not being able to give probiotics after the treatment gave them no resistence and resulted in the poor race i had. i decide there and then to never go that way again. thankfully i realised the outcome soon enough before any problems started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy white Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 hi, i would like to know what percentage of fancier's who use antibiotics on a regular basis(every year/month/week) get any form of sickness in they're birds . i don't use antibiotics and have never had any yb sickness or any other kind of sickness which i think is because of the birds higher natural immunity. what are your views on this?. i wouldnt use anti-biotics unless absolutely neccessary,, and under avian vets advice, [according to him ,pigeon fanciers are using these willy nilly , causing , in fact more probs] his words. not mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 they are enhancement drugs are'nt they? no there not but speed plus is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owen Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 The answer is to have the birds checked with a microscope by someone who knows what they are doing. Either a Vet, you can trust, or a fellow fancier who knows what he is doing. If it is to be your friend, ask him/her to show you what he can see. You treat for what is wrong with the right medicine given in the correct way. I think that all medicines adversely affect the bird for a short time after treatment. Antibiotics kill bugs indiscrimitively, good and bad. You need to help the bird get over it by using probiotics and vitamins. Obviously, if a bird is loaded down with say worms, killing the worms is bound to have a beneficial effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 they are enhancement drugs are'nt they? no they are not a n enhancement drug they only clear the bird from all ailments allowing it to perform to its full potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 no they are not a n enhancement drug they only clear the bird from all ailments allowing it to perform to its full potential absolutely spot frank, anyone who uses any drug ie, for cocci,worms,canker, respitory, bacteria,is only clearing the disease thus allowing the bird to perform,not enhancing the bird ,enhancement drugs would be like humans taking speed or the kind of stuff that cheating runners take , not an antibiotic,or a lemsip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 yes hotrod but some think different they are getting mixed up with the sh-- the belgiums were droping in their eyes now thats enhancement drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 get your droppings tested regulary you'l save a fortune in treating and your birds will be better for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterbmasson Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 the best advice for respitory is find out why they are infected it will come down too over crowding or no ventllation its a must to treat for worms once a year cocci ipersonally treat for canker every 6 weeks for 2 days OLD YELLOW I SENT MY DROPPINGS AWAY A FEW TIMES AFTER TREATING FOR THE ABOVE AND IT STILL CAME BACK SOME BACTERIAL OR SOME OTHER NAME THE ONLY THING BIRDS WILL STILL LOOK GOOD WITH CANKER BUT WILL COME LATE IF NOT TREATED YOU WILL LOOSE THEM EVENTUALLY 8) 8) 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 have no worms not treated for years ? i use products that keep my birds clear , if you had problems with bacteria ectra after you treated then surely that must be down to management ? canker = i use products that keep my birds clear no medication just natural products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew gooch Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 is p.m.v vaccine not a treatment to stop your birds contracting para bacteria,if it is then every fancier treats there pigeons even the ones that say thay dont treat for anythink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 i vaccinate for P.M.V its a nasty disease and in order to race its a requirement thats one thing we all should do by rules , its not treating because if your treating your curing an ailment they have got not preventing one they may get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 no they are not a n enhancement drug they only clear the bird from all ailments allowing it to perform to its full potential can you tell we were all these ailments hide ? the reason i ask is had my birds tested last year and they could'nt find cocci,canker or respatory disease. are you saying that pigeons need to be treated before every race to show their true potential?. is it true that when you give antibiotics it makes the pigeon produce more white bloodcells thus giving it a boost.? this is what i've been told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 is p.m.v vaccine not a treatment to stop your birds contracting para bacteria,if it is then every fancier treats there pigeons even the ones that say thay dont treat for anythink andrew paramixo is a virus mate not a bacteria.You are not treating your immunising you birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew gooch Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 i vaccinate for P.M.V its a nasty disease and in order to race its a requirement thats one thing we all should do by rules , its not treating because if your treating your curing an ailment they have got not preventing one they may get yes had it in the 80 not nice. but there is no guarantee that vaccinating is not contributing to the problems fanciers are having today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterbmasson Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 OLD YELLOW THATS WHAT I DO MY SELF BUT I CANT UNDERSTAND FANCIERS NOT TREATING THERE BIRDS FOR COCCI WORMS AND CANKER BUT ITS EVERY BOADY T O THERE OWN THING I MYSELF I HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE WHEN YOU KNOW CLEAN OF ALL OF THE ABOVE I WISH I HAD THE CONFIDENCE YOUVE GOT BUT HOPE YOU KEEP THEM IN GOOD HEALTH 8) 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterbmasson Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 O LD YELLOW WHAT NATURAL REMEDY DO YOU USE FOR CANKER 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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