do you vaccinate for paramyxo?

[pjc]

I'm not asking people to openly say yes they do or no they don't but am interested to know by anonymus poll how many do actualy vaccinate for PMV?

[pigeonpete]

yes all birds get done! i know its not quite the same, but suffered paratyphoid 2 years ago and that was nasty! so would never take any risks again, not sure they need to be done every year though, but hey what do i know! :-0

[Guest numpty01]

yes regardless if flying or not its not nice to see or have never mind the cost of birds

[The Navigator]

It's a RPRA rule, but thousands do not bother. I heard that some samples are going to be taken on transporters. I am unsure if this is fact or fiction.

[pjc]

It's a RPRA rule, but thousands do not bother. I heard that some samples are going to be taken on transporters. I am unsure if this is fact or fiction.

 

I suspect it is fiction, DEFRA are not realy intersted in us which is why they drag there feet when bird flu is around etc, we are irritation to them!

 

[Guest]

It's a RPRA rule, but thousands do not bother. I heard that some samples are going to be taken on transporters. I am unsure if this is fact or fiction.

 

There's no smoke without fire Navigator, it might be a good thing for randoms to be done to protect those in the fancy who do take the time to look after their birds.

[Guest peter.j]

 

There's no smoke without fire Navigator, it might be a good thing for randoms to be done to protect those in the fancy who do take the time to look after their birds.

 

i have to agree why wouldnt you want to jab them a stitch in time etc why pay for a loft full of pigeons feed them at great expense only to throw them in a bag for the sake of saving a few quid

[Guest]

 

i have to agree why wouldnt you want to jab them a stitch in time etc why pay for a loft full of pigeons feed them at great expense only to throw them in a bag for the sake of saving a few quid

 

Yep  

 

 

[pjc]

 

i have to agree why wouldnt you want to jab them a stitch in time etc why pay for a loft full of pigeons feed them at great expense only to throw them in a bag for the sake of saving a few quid

 

There are many though that feel the vaccination was forced upon us and no research has ever been carried out in regards to the effects it may have on the pigeons long term health, reproduction etc etc

 

 

[just ask me]

yes without a doubt

[Guest IB]

Collectively a number of issues have been raised and rather than reply to each post, here's my views on this:-

 

It would be a mistake to think that DEFRA has no interest in this. It would also be a mistake to think vaccination is just an RPRA ruling; the Law says all racing pigeons must be vaccinated prior to training, racing or showing. DEFRA are the government department responsible for policing that Law, and they License all pigeon racing subject to many conditions, and vaccination is one of those, no vaccination, license revoked, no racing for any of us.

 

It would also be a mistake to think that no research was being carried out on every aspect of vaccination. I've posted on this several times since I learned of it in 2006 when the contract was let. It covers the very principle of how vaccination works for both humans and animals, how long protection lasts (immune memory) and in companion animals at least, if annual vaccination is really necessary, or even harmful. The research is expected to last 6 years, so 2012 at earliest before publication, until then, we must do the right and proper thing, if you train, race or show racing pigeons, then you must vaccinate them against PMV, if you don't you risk getting racing and / or showing stopped.

[Chairman]

It would be an intersting comparision to ask the question "Who vaccinates against Paratyphus" ?

I would further like to expand on the reference to the word "Law" if used with reference to the license conditions imposed by DEFRA it does not constitute as being refered to as being "Law" it is classified in documentation as being a "Code of Practice" and not classified a statutory imposed regulation. Yes I know what we are all led to believe, but an attorney worth his salt would have a field day with this issue tryed in a court of law.

Most of us go along with it so we can get on with what we want to do best, and thats race our pigeons leave the politics to the politicians or it that too great a risk to leave in their hands surely they can't mess that up as well, or could they? >

[pjc]

we know what the "code of practice" says but as we can see by the pole over a quater that do vaccinate only do the race team either because they believe it has no benefit or can cause long term problems.

Look at how long we have had vaccination!

There are still approx the same number of reported cases each year and why is it only now that research is being carried out?

[REDCHEQHEN]

I don't physically vaccinate the birds - somebody else does them - and I am the witness (on the declaration) all stock birds get done - even birds without rings - though they can't go on the sheet but get vaccinated anyway. For those who don't vaccinate - but fill a sheet out 'pretending' you have - who is the witness?

 

What about the 'witnesses' willing to sign a declaration when they haven't witnessed the vaccinations - this is as bad

[greenlands]

Every pigeon done in my loft,young old and stock.I beleive we've been at it since 1983 and don't seem to be getting any further forward.Still the same old procedure, if we had to do the same with our kids every year there would be hell on.It's time the unions got their arses off the seat and got a once only vaccine sorted. Is that again asking too much???????????  Lindsay

[REDCHEQHEN]

Flu vaccines are every year - stop moaning

and if you don't have a flu vaccine - you should - I do (evil)

[pjc]

those that have flu vaccine still get flu!

And how long will it take before immunity is built up against the vaccination?

[REDCHEQHEN]

those that have flu vaccine still get flu!

And how long will it take before immunity is built up against the vaccination?

 

I've never had flu while I've had the vaccine

 

have had flu vaccines for 15 years

[greenlands]

Flu vaccines are every year - stop moaning

and if you don't have a flu vaccine - you should - I do (evil)

 

Not moaning stating a fact and trying to save YOU £30  or more a year vaccinating YOUR  birds .

 

[ritchie1]

dont do the stock loft no piont

[OLDYELLOW]

All my birds are vacinated even the stock it only takes one bird to be a carrier to wipe the lot out if not vacinated , and the cases in recent years should put everyone on there guard  

[Guest strapper]

i once witnessed birds being put through hell at someones loft with paramyxo,heads twisting etc...so in recent years ive vaccinated all birds.

i feel personally that anyone who doesnt vaccinate(entirely their choice)is risking more than they know!

also i believe that the vaccinate certificate requires two independent witnesses who sign to say that they witnessed the vaccination taking place.

if its found that no vaccination has taken place then these two witnesses will be in serious trouble with their federation/union.

so the person who does falsify this vaccination cert is putting m8s into possible trouble.

is it worth the risk?

[PIGEON_MAN]

Wonder if the ones that said no will come on here and tell us why they dont vaccinate.

[OLDYELLOW]

Wonder if the ones that said no will come on here and tell us why they dont vaccinate.

 

im hoping they keep fancy pigeons , but even they are susceptable to it

[Guest numpty01]

i once witnessed birds being put through hell at someones loft with paramyxo,heads twisting etc...so in recent years ive vaccinated all birds.

i feel personally that anyone who doesnt vaccinate(entirely their choice)is risking more than they know!

also i believe that the vaccinate certificate requires two independent witnesses who sign to say that they witnessed the vaccination taking place.

if its found that no vaccination has taken place then these two witnesses will be in serious trouble with their federation/union.

so the person who does falsify this vaccination cert is putting m8s into possible trouble.

is it worth the risk?

i agree but then when some top flyers come into club and say sign this someone always does this happens alover the place   ;)