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[Guest gladdo]

loft number 1 check this 1 st of all bud... mikey

[nogin]

Have read all that everyone has to say on this issue.But personally i will stick to my own opinions on this one.DRUGS ARE FOR MUGS. ;D ;D

 

HIS DOOS ARE DOPE FREE HE'S OOT HIS HEED  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

HIS DOOS ARE DOPE FREE HE'S OOT HIS HEED  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

YOU KNOW WHO IS THE DOPE MATE. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Have read all that everyone has to say on this issue.But personally i will stick to my own opinions on this one.DRUGS ARE FOR MUGS. ;D ;D

 

Well Vince repect your opinion. But I honestly beleive if you don't canker and treat for fungal infection, you will never be a top force in the National. Each to their own. I look forward 5 years down the line to seeing your results and comparing them with mine. IB I think we are closer than  I thought last year in our thinking, hope the birds have come well for you this season.

 

Not trying to wind this thread up, would just like to say it's been a damn good thread!

[nogin]

 

YOU KNOW WHO IS THE DOPE MATE. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

YOUR ON THE GROG AGAIN   :P ;D

[Guest]

 

Well Vince repect your opinion. But I honestly beleive if you don't canker and tried for fungal infection, you will never be a top force in the National. Each to their own. I look forward 5 years down the line to seeing your results and comparing them with mine. IB I think we are closer than  I thought last year in our thinking, hope the birds have come well for you this season.

 

Not trying to wind this thread up, would just like to say it's been a damn good thread!

 

Tell that to Jim Donaldson,do you think he would pay heid to your practices :-/ :-/As i have said i know who i would aspire too.And i look forward  to seeing your results or even so what results have you actually achieved

[Guest stb]

Have read all that everyone has to say on this issue.But personally i will stick to my own opinions on this one.DRUGS ARE FOR MUGS. ;D ;D

now vincent we have told you before to stay of them. ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest]

Vince my results aren't special but I'm getting better every year and have one or two decent ones. I would not ask anyone to pay heid to my practices that is individual choice, but I say again in 5 years time we'll compare and if you wipe the floor with me I'll take my hat off to you! This whole thread is about trying to help omeone who has had some poor times racing, that's all my aim was. If you are advising Kev never to touch medicines I'm sure he's listening, cause that's what he currently does.

[Guest slugmonkey]

Let me say this for the record my racers I treat, my stocklofts I do not. I belive you have to have the health to begin with that is why I dont treat the stockloft but in the racing loft I belive you achive a paramount of health with supplements ( Yeast, cider vinegar, cayanne pepper, magnatite, probiotics, red cell, bee pollen, royal jelly, barley grass, garlic, coconut oil, infant formula, ) and exercise ( open loft ) and road training as well as medication

If you read all the posts on these subjects you will find that a lot of these substances increase PH and are antibiotic as well as laced with flavonoids and amino acids as well ALL of these are bad for bacteria and other pathogens a lot also contain specific substances that are bad for things like salmonella ( coconut oil ) others will actively fortify places where these bad bacteria grow ( probiotics ) I look at it like a farmer who plows and puts down herbicide this kills everything good and bad ( antibiotics ) he then plants seed ( probiotics ) then he fertilizes (all the vitamins and substances that create a good enviroment for the good bacteria ) these  and they take all the space not letting the weeds grow a added benifit to all of this is that the digestive process is also aided by a lot of these products so your birds will be able to increase performance because they are using the food more efficently

[Guest]

i was at a pigeon night here in ireland, and the king of antwerp andre rudhof (or woteve his name is) was asked the question do we need to treat!! his reply was "whoever wins and says they do not treat for anything is for sure a liar!"

[holmsidelofts]

every pigeon has canker so does that mean we dispose of them all. get real if you get an out break its generally due to something else like stress causing the flare up.. If you have a problem with it you treat for it. everytime you put your birds in a basket they will be exposed to it, if there is a hold over everytime a pigeon picks up a grain of corn and drops it it leaves a tiny bit of saliva on it which contains canker organisms so i guarantee you wont stay free from it for long once you start racing. You can keep your birds as healthy as you want in your own loft but the minute you put them in the basket with others they are exposed to everything. If more fanciers read books on pigeon health like Dr Colin walkers or Wim Peters books they would get a better understand on health. Get yourself a microscope and not a dustbin for the birds you kill is the only way to manage health, get into the 21st century you'll be amazed at what you can do to prevent theses issues in the first place

 

 

Natural resistance for canker,if they get it dispose of them.If the old birds are free from it ,the probability of the young ones getting it is reduced.

 

 

[greenlands]

Slugmonkey,please enlighten me on the product cayanne pepper and how to usr it.

Lindsay C.

SLUGMONKEY ,Still waiting mate .Lindsay.

 

 

[greenlands]

 

Not sure about treating as such never had any problems with my birds until i started racing them found virkon in the water when they returned put stop to it never had any problems after i started using it

Hi Rose,what's the dosage/ 2 litre drinker.Lindsay

 

[dudley]

vince what do you do if or when your  birds are unwell,and dont tell  me your birds never catch anything they go in the crates with other birds they will pick somthing up,ken ,

[Guest IB]

 

Well Vince repect your opinion. But I honestly beleive if you don't canker and treat for fungal infection, you will never be a top force in the National. Each to their own. I look forward 5 years down the line to seeing your results and comparing them with mine. IB I think we are closer than  I thought last year in our thinking, hope the birds have come well for you this season.

 

Not trying to wind this thread up, would just like to say it's been a damn good thread!

 

I think the thread is very topical, it's the end of our OB season and I am thinking much same way as Kev (and probably most others) - what have I to do to get further up the sheet next year?

 

This was my first year flying the channel, and wish now that I had not bottled-out on my original plans, as I basically felt that I had failed at the 500+ mile stage, with 2 y-o pigeons, before the last 500 mile race was flown. Alencon was a disaster for most, my single entry took a week to come home; I sent 2 to Andrezel, and despite being told they were in 'outstanding' condition by someone who knows what they are talking about in preparing pigeons for the channel, I never saw them again.  I sent 2 yearlings to Ypres, 449 miles, took 89th Open with one, dropped the other even though he was my fancied pigeon. The other 4 yearlings went  inland rather than Ypresl as planned, but they are there from 333+ miles.

 

So basically entered my last 2 x 2yo to Falaise 518 miles, without the preparation (training) thinking that was the last I was going to see of them, and got both of them late the second day, my first the one I definitely thought I'd never see again, and the later one the one I was hoping for, having taken Section & Open position in Eastbourne, 399 miles a few weeks earlier.

 

So yes, 'bottle' needed, for me, not the pigeons. As in hit over the head with one.  

 

 

[Guest]

 

I think the thread is very topical, it's the end of our OB season and I am thinking much same way as Kev (and probably most others) - what have I to do to get further up the sheet next year?

 

This was my first year flying the channel, and wish now that I had not bottled-out on my original plans, as I basically felt that I had failed at the 500+ mile stage, with 2 y-o pigeons, before the last 500 mile race was flown. Alencon was a disaster for most, my single entry took a week to come home; I sent 2 to Andrezel, and despite being told they were in 'outstanding' condition by someone who knows what they are talking about in preparing pigeons for the channel, I never saw them again.  I sent 2 yearlings to Ypres, 449 miles, took 89th Open with one, dropped the other even though he was my fancied pigeon. The other 4 yearlings went  inland rather than Ypresl as planned, but they are there from 333+ miles.

 

So basically entered my last 2 x 2yo to Falaise 518 miles, without the preparation (training) thinking that was the last I was going to see of them, and got both of them late the second day, my first the one I definitely thought I'd never see again, and the later one the one I was hoping for, having taken Section & Open position in Eastbourne, 399 miles a few weeks earlier.

 

So yes, 'bottle' needed, for me, not the pigeons. As in hit over the Ahead with one.  

 

 

A season to learn from, and if the birds were in super condition perhaps the birds aren't good enough, or maybe the ones you rated aren't and the ones you didn't are? But something to build on!

[alec guinness]

on reading your post ib i think you have done very well going by birds sent,homed and timed etc,there are an awful lot of good national fanciers who have not seen a feather from some of the above races,these birds along with your yearlings you sent to the coast will form a team for next seasons nationals where with a wee rub you hopefully will get there,national racing is sore and hard and certainly not for the faint hearted,ian we must keep testing birds and breed from the ones we get home,there is no better test than national racing,good luck with the youngsters. :) :)

[Guest IB]

 

A season to learn from, and if the birds were in super condition perhaps the birds aren't good enough, or maybe the ones you rated aren't and the ones you didn't are? But something to build on!

 

Spot-on.  

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

Lindsay

there have been numerous posts on here about cayanne just a few of the things it does

Vitamin A and C

helps Perephial Circulation

Pain Management

blood pressure regulator

and I also belive it is mildly antiseptic ??

[Guest slugmonkey]

on reading your post ib i think you have done very well going by birds sent,homed and timed etc,there are an awful lot of good national fanciers who have not seen a feather from some of the above races,these birds along with your yearlings you sent to the coast will form a team for next seasons nationals where with a wee rub you hopefully will get there,national racing is sore and hard and certainly not for the faint hearted,ian we must keep testing birds and breed from the ones we get home,there is no better test than national racing,good luck with the youngsters. :) :)

 

I agree KEEP RACING

we had an exceptionally hard year most of our club lost 70% - 90% of their teams with a couple losing all or dropping out

but there were 2 guys who just kept hammering in there 1 of these guys won his first race and learned one of the most important lessons in all of pigeon racing

the basket tells no tales !!!!!!!

this guy had a local "expert " cull a LOT birds for him ( which wasnt all bad as he was a tad bit overcrowded ) but he did lose some good stock I tried to console him by telling him this and by also telling him this years lessons are more valuable than what he lost as now he has a core group of exceptional birds to work with there was another experinced guy who let another expert help him in the same way he also learned these lessons !!!

this other guy has whined and whined about the birds he lost and is destined to make the same mistake

I think when you are sending birds out 350 miles plus that there are no accidents you should cherish birds that come home in the worst races and weather !

[Guest youngzimmy]

SINCE I STARTED PUTTING IRON BREW IN THE WATER DRINKERS MY DOOS HAVE NEVER LOOKED BETTER THEY HAVE THAT STEELY LOOK IN THE EYE  THE LOOK OF CAST IRON WINNERS AYE YEA KEN

[Roland]

Fresh air and clean water and grub. If right, then feed according to what you have in store for them.

If not winning, performing as good as you like them to... change your birds.

Nothing out of a tube / box or satchet will make a winner. Only treat if and when they need your help regards getting over an ailment. J.M.O.

 

[magpie]

Kev, it's clear from your description of how you look after your birds that you are a dedicated fancier who deserves to do better. But have you ever thought that perhaps you spend too much time fussing over them ? I know it's slightly different with widowhood cocks - which we mainly fly with some success at National, BBC and CSCFC level - but they are shut up and left quiet from morning exercise at 7am, when they usually fly for at least an hour, until evening exercise at 6pm when they generally fly of their own accord for another hour or are shut out for an hour if they don't . The loft is only cleaned while they are exercising and they only have about three training tosses from around 20 miles before racing starts and never see the inside of the training basket again all season, even if they miss a few weeks racing. I know that on the natural system, which we also use for a few distance hens, the odd training toss is necessary - but I would suggest that 50-60 miles every day of the week is completely pointless and might well explain why your birds are a few minutes behind every week - they are just sick of being sent down the road when all they want is a bit of peace at home with their mates, nest and eggs.! If everything else is right they don't need that amount of work - especially if you want them for the longer races. Incidentally we don't use anything other than good corn, grit and minerals and rely on our birds natural immunity to keep them healthy. If any look off colour they stay in the loft and heal themselves. If they show no sign of doing that after a reasonable length of time, they are disposed off. The same also goes for young birds. Of course in our 50 years in the sport we have doctored pigeons when they were sick - but I can't think of one which actually achieved anything later in life either as a breeder or racer.    

[Guest slugmonkey]

I agree 3 times a day in loft may be too much, play with the breeders but leave the racers alone there have been several posts on here about overhandling of birds I also agree that you may be overtraining as I toss 5 times before races and then only a few times before races during season and these are before short races and off the line of flight ( 20 miles ) I like my racers as wild as I can get

[HOMER49]

Have read all that everyone has to say on this issue.But personally i will stick to my own opinions on this one.DRUGS ARE FOR MUGS. ;D ;D

 

Hi Vince

So to ensure that your natural immunity is working how many times a year do you have swabs taken

and there droppings tested ;) ;)

Cheers

Homer 49