What should i treat my stock birds for?

[greenlands]

 

yes to treat pre heart attack.

 

 

overdo and you'll burst an ulcer.

[sox]

to much medication out there in books etc they will be flyin chemist you dont see many street birds ill and they eat everything jmo

[pidge 1]

If you raced street pigeons m8, i would want to be in your club as long as my birds where in their own baskets lol

[Guest blythy1]

i think treating for paratyphoid is a must paraty-stop for 10-12 days before pairing. everything else i send a sample off to retford poultry.

[tjloft]

Like most I suspect since the end of the racing season I have bought in birds from many sources and as a precaution I will treat all with Parastop followed by E-Plus(Probiotic).

[OLDYELLOW]

test birds then treat according to a vet that specalises in avian health , the more you run to the medicine cabinet for drugs the more drugs your birds will need the more susceptable there compromised immune system is to the over use and abuse of medication which in the end will stop working , you either treat blind or treat your birds for the ailments they do have rather than the ones they dont  

[Guest strapper]

to much medication out there in books etc they will be flyin chemist you dont see many street birds ill and they eat everything jmo

 

the reason why you wont see many ill is that any ill birds will cuddle under a ledge somewhere on a roof .

you only have to look at half of the streeters and they look like they have ben dragged through an edge backwards.

nature has it ways of dealing with weaker birds.

 

there are only two preventatives i use and that is for paratyhoid and for pmv.

for all other problems i get checked out and treat them myself .

too many think that fanciers that use medications are drugging their birds up everyday...which is mainly a myth...anyone of any kind of sorts will not be using medications untill they need them!

 

right procedure and your have nice healthy birds...wrong procedure and your have problems...never under estimate medications, used the right way they are highly effective.

its right to say years ago we didnt have to use medications...but the earth has gone through evolution and evolution brings on changes ...just listen how scientists are looking all the time waiting for diseases to mutate!..this happens so dont base your beliefs that medications ruin the imune system..fanciers ruin the imune system!

 

remember not every vet will know about pigeons and will sometimes give you medications to try and see if it will cure the problem.

 

there are a few guys on here who i believe have the right sense towards medications..i hope i can be classed in that bracket..but no ones perfect and problems will appear from time to time.

 

 

 

 

[ALF]

Never treated my stock birds other than the odd canker treatment now and again and never jag them again either after the initial y/b jag plenty of grub and lots of fresh water and now and again some garlic in it and they breed brilliant y/b's on this so why would i change it??????????????

[Guest strapper]

remember ..the biggest carrier of infections is a shoe.

 

from one infected parting to an uninfected parting ...we never know how much we bring into our lofts.

[showman]

 

i wait to hear  your advice and wisdom?

 

if prevention is not advisable ...then why do the biggest scientists in the world advise us to have preventative swine flu AND normal flu shots!

 

why do they also advice women to have the cervical cancer jab?

also have the tb jab?

dogs have regular injections...preventative.

preventative jabs before we go abroad!

 

there are many reasons why we give to prevent...some not so popular.

 

 

Got nothing to do with wisdom....just saying your 'spare tyre' analogy was way off, as  it had no reference to medication.

 

[blackdog]

if i had to introduce new stock to my loft they would be in a loft on there own for 2 weeks and treated no matter where they came from

[Guest lenwadebob]

remember ..the biggest carrier of infections is a shoe.

 

from one infected parting to an uninfected parting ...we never know how much we bring into our lofts.

 

Paul, that is not quite true my friend, many of these viruses are airborne, so if the are in one partition they are in all partitions within one loft.

[pigeonscout]

If birds have not been treated for cocci or canker I do not need a vet to tell me they have it.

[jimmy white]

What should I treat your stockbirds for?  :-/ Indeed, depends whats up with them - if anything! ...

if not broken you cant fix

 

in my opinion ,,the above  in a nutshell,,  some interesting posts here, i think theres a big difference with a prevention,   preventative meds,,, and a cure,,,

 

you cant cure something thats not  ill :-/

 

prevention meds. are sometimes a must [by the rules of some organizations]  paramyxo vaccination etc,

 

but prevention is a great thing, not all can be prevented, but much can,, as owen says about keeping the grit/minerals etc fresh , clean and dry , as damp dirty grits/minerals can be a haven for cocci worms etc, ,, also keeping stress to a minimum,, i,e overcrowding , ventilation, dryness etc , i believe management has much to do with  prevention,

 

so the question "what should i treat my stock birds for?",, in my opinion, spend your money on a swab and droppings test,, its a lot cheaper than treating  sometimes,  for nothing,

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

just watched the my way dvd and gerald koopman has only treated for paratyphoid 3 times in 27 years and and gaby vandanebeel dosent treat for it either prohaps they should read this forum where all these succesful fanciers treat every year for it and blind treat !!

[Guest strapper]

just watched the my way dvd and gerald koopman has only treated for paratyphoid 3 times in 27 years and and gaby vandanebeel dosent treat for it either prohaps they should read this forum where all these succesful fanciers treat every year for it and blind treat !!

 

why did koopman treat for it? at least 3 times!

 

 

why does being a top birdman mean you know about meds ?

or why does it mean because your not a top birdman mean you dont know about them?

 

many a top fancier have had problems in their time,the wonderful world of pigeon racing has its certain types that claim never to have had an ill pigeon ever in their lofts...with a big percentage i would imagine telling porkies.

 

 

 

 

[Guest strapper]

 

Paul, that is not quite true my friend, many of these viruses are airborne, so if the are in one partition they are in all partitions within one loft.

 

yes bob thats right ...but what i was meaning are illnesses/problems like canker /cocci/hexamita etc which certainly isnt airbourne and can be carried along on your shoes into another loft...or brought in from a m8s shoes from his lofts.

 

 

[dwh]

paratyphoid.cocci,worms and canker when sitting by the look of the replys we must be unique everybody seems oh natutay!

[Roland]

You know, I once had some very good birds off a fancier who'd more than held his own and was regarded and well respect. He used to tell me that only his culls got ill and it meant their constitution wasn't up to it.  That he'd never treated for Canker etc. only Horses E. for worms which he swore by. So when he packed up, all those that hadofferd to take his birds training / club etc. but didn't, nor hadn't, quickly knocked his door for his birds. Most came my way. Mainly Delbars.  Yep certainly were nice. A couple of months later I decided, which I'd had only just done for the prior season or two before treat for canker etc. Just the usual worms and what not and decided I'd do his birds at the same time. Within a week I was flooded out! Water works and birds getting drained. No mine his. I asked around and the outcome, main consensus was 'You'd destroyed their naturual emmunity! Birds that had been built up on a proven system for over 50 years! What was I tinking .... 'Keeping up with the times'! Yes now a days some help is needed, some precautions need to be taken.... but certainly not without a lot of forethought, and certainly not Willy - Nilly.

they never did regain the same statues healthwise.

[dwh]

You know, I once had some very good birds off a fancier who'd more than held his own and was regarded and well respect. He used to tell me that only his culls got ill and it meant their constitution wasn't up to it.  That he'd never treated for Canker etc. only Horses E. for worms which he swore by. So when he packed up, all those that hadofferd to take his birds training / club etc. but didn't, nor hadn't, quickly knocked his door for his birds. Most came my way. Mainly Delbars.  Yep certainly were nice. A couple of months later I decided, which I'd had only just done for the prior season or two before treat for canker etc. Just the usual worms and what not and decided I'd do his birds at the same time. Within a week I was flooded out! Water works and birds getting drained. No mine his. I asked around and the outcome, main consensus was 'You'd destroyed their naturual emmunity! Birds that had been built up on a proven system for over 50 years! What was I tinking .... 'Keeping up with the times'! Yes now a days some help is  ;)needed, some precautions need to be taken.... but certainly not without a lot of forethought, and certainly not Willy - Nilly.

they never did regain the same statues healthwise.

 

understand what your saying roland but this is implying that medication actually does more damage than good everybody has had pigeons from men that don.t treat and this has.nt happened to them natural immunity can be restored maybe there was an underlying weakness in the birds who knows but some of the most ssuccessful fanciers ever alwayas treat pre breeding and some just never tell you what they do

[Roland]

dwh wouldn't think for a moment that they don't  '............. but some of the most ssuccessful fanciers ever alwayas treat pre breeding ....' of course, BUT I bet you they all know exacxtly why they do and the results they expect. Most of the 'Top Fanciers' still use Vets etc. after many many years. If not broken you can't fix obviously. Yes and to give them a clean out and replace / rebuild / restore is just fine.... Provided you know just waht is acceptable and treat correct measure doses. Again a dollop compare to a Vet's recommendation are years apart. But point is taken aboard as I agree, Many Roads lead to Rome.

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

well i have never treated for cocci and only treat for canker if the bird has it with tablet form so the rest dont get treated and i treated for worms this year but never saw any in the droppings so a waste of time that was lol but i do use lots of garlic and  cider vinegar in the water

[Guest strapper]

well i have never treated for cocci and only treat for canker if the bird has it with tablet form so the rest dont get treated and i treated for worms this year but never saw any in the droppings so a waste of time that was lol but i do use lots of garlic and  cider vinegar in the water

 

garlic is exellent for keeping cocci count down..i was told this by a vet.

i always use fresh cloves in the drinking water.

one other thing ..its good for the shine on the feathering.