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If your birds were fed theses pellets with the growth hormones, would they then fail a drugs test?

Still all 3 in the race but I only want one the first one home in the final, I wish lol.

That was last weeks race.

I still only see 562. Jimmy thats what is great about the one loft race you can be 250th but only 5secs of the winner.

And all because one of my birds was going so fast it missed my loft and did not get stoped until it hit Dudee. I live in northern Ireland Anyway thank you mike for getting it picked up and Paul I hope It does you a good turn and breeds you some good ones.

what update I cannot find any update Im getting 562 birds home but there has to be more as they where comming steady

how many home now from race

The Blue Riband YB National was flown from Sennen Cove on Thursday liberation having been delayed for one day due to strong winds on the Irish Sea. Just short of 1,400 young pigeons the cream of all Ireland were competing for pools and prizes of £16,000. For the past few years we have had an old Hens Nat on the same day and for this 470 birds were competing for almost £3,000. The total convoy was released at 7.45am in a Light North West wind and the Irish Sea was to be a Northerly wind 10-15mph. A difficult race was always expected and just short of 40 birds were recorded on the day, by lunchtime on Friday the total was around 90. Ron Williamson of the Bondhill Soc in Portadown timed his 4 year old Pencil Blue hen at 6.01pm to record velocity 869 for the 304 miles and take 1st Open INFC in the Old Hens Nat. Runner-up was Paul Jones of Skerries followed by Belshaw & Anderson of Derriaghy. We had a photo finish in the YB National with probable winner C & L Woodside of Ballyclare just ahead of clubmate Andy Gault both lofts doing velocity 844, after both lost time. Former Kings Cup winner Allan McDonald will be 3rd Open flying into Portadown Invitation. C & L Woodside who have previously been INFC Nat Champions but never won a National race, timed their young Blue hen at 7.01pm flying 324 miles into Ballyclare. With so few birds home (only 9 young birds in Northern Ireland on the day), it was unbelievable the finish would be so close.

Had 3 out of 3 in the race until the 5th hot spot now left with 2 but hoping 3rd was late as the clock only timed for 1 hour and im sure lots of birds will come in after the hour as they seem to be comming steady.

Has the bird been pick up yet?

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Its the same old story one min the experts tell us it is bad for us, the next min they tell you it is good for us. So maybe in a couple of years time when the experts on lactic acid know what they are talking about we may have a better idea of its effects. One thing they all agree on is that the lack of oxygen to the mussel play a big part. so the blueish flesh comment by Wiley is a good point. Below is for humans not pigeons but If it is the same for pigeons then all they need is oxygen to convert the lactic acid. The process of lactic acid removal takes approx. one hour, but this can be accelerated by undertaking an appropriate cool down that ensures a rapid and continuous supply of oxygen to the muscles. 65% of lactic acid is converted to carbon dioxide and water, 20% into glycogen, 10% into protein and 5% into glucose.

When you exercise, your muscles burn sugar, fat or protein in the presence of oxygen to produce energy. If you exercise so intensely that you become very short of breath and your muscles can’t get enough oxygen, lactic acid accumulates in your muscle fibers. A study from Australia shows that lactic acid buildup in muscles does not make muscles tired and may even make muscle contract more efficiently, which may increase your endurance (Science, August 26, 2004.) This startling research contradicts what most instructors teach in their exercise classes. The old theory was that lactic acid makes the muscles more acidic which causes them to hurt and burn and interferes with their ability to contract, so you feel tired. This new research shows that rat’s muscles contact more efficiently when lactic acid accumulates in them. Electric currents cause muscles to contract. This electricity is generated by cell membranes causing potassium to move inside cells and chloride ions to stay outside. With vigorous exercise, potassium ions accumulate outside cells. As large amounts of potassium ions accumulate outside cells, electricity is not generated and the cells cannot contract. Another ion called chloride accumulates outside cells and prevents potassium from getting back inside cells. Lactic acid removes the chloride, so it is easier for potassium to get back inside cells. Therefore lactic acid increases the ratio of potassium inside cells to the amount outside, and this helps the muscle contract with more efficiency.

So why dont the people that know what to look for win races?

Anyone know any good sites where I can read up on the effects of Lactic Acid on racing pigeons.

I agree with what you are saying, The point I was making was birds do not make it in flight they call on it in flight it has to be there in the first place. If they use it in flight does it not make sense to replace it in the water ie rehydrate + replace used electrolyte + energy.

electrolytes include sodium, potassium, chloride, and bicarbonate, How can a bird build these up in flight where does it make them in flight? By Gordon Chambers, DVM on Friday, June 9, 2000 - 07:46 PM: CC/Spud: There is no place for Epsom salts in the loft. It works by drawing badly needed fluids from body tissues into the intestines and these fluids are then expelled as loose droppings. It simply dehydrates returning racers even further, something they really don't need. So according to Gordon Chambers birds do dehydrate when racing, so it would make good practice to give them an electrolyte. Lose dropping can be caused by a number of things including the stress of the race and that has nothing to do with toxins. My question is what toxins i.e. poisonous substances does a bird produce in flight? It is my opinion that there is no such toxins in a bird returning from a race.

Im still trying to work out what this all means http://www.springerlink.com/content/tv244285536t3171/

You will get the same results if you put 4 heaped tea spoons of sugar and 1 level tea spoon of salt in 2lt water after race. It is just replacing the electrolytes nothing to do with toxins. The above is the best electrolytes you can give your birds. It was the electrolytes doctors give to babies in their bottles years ago when they where not holding down their food to stop them dehydrating. If it is going to be a hard race or very hot give it for one day, two days before basket and after hard race.

all the toxins built up from the race to be excreted from the body, Could someone tell me what toxins are built up in a pigeon that races? Because all the bird is doing is flying and if flying built up toxins then they would build up every time the bird flys. I have never seen any proff of a bird building up toxins from flying.

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Great results, Can I ask what flight they where on for the last 4 races and were the results all won in the same club or where you racing in two clubs. The reason im asking is to see if they where still winning at the last 4 races.

I do this also for first 5 races, then it is back to 7 miles to keep them sharp.

That is good advice Jimmy. Until a couple of years ago I would have washed out my drinkers with Milton now I just pop them into the microwave after washing for 30 sec's that kills all.