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Oldbird A very nice post but for a man who evaluates in the region of 1000 birds per month 12,000 birds per year. Any man on the planet would get would get results if he paired that many bird for people. You say you evaluate birds and pairings for fanciers, and that you make a living at it? What I cannot understand is why you don't pick these birds for yourself, breed them and sell the winning offspring. Picking 100 breeding pairs should be no problem for a man with your gift. You should get at least get 4 winners from each pair per year = 400 guaranteed winners per year. If you can do that then not only would you be living in south Africa you could problem buy it. Could you name me two of the top ten fanciers in the world today that you pair birds for? Can you name me two that use eyesign as the only means of pairing? If you can look into a pigeons eye and tell by its eyesign it is going to breed winners. Then it would not matter if that bird had poor balance, bad feather, was stupid, and comes from a long line of pigeons that did not make the results, that bird according to its eyesign would still breed winners. Do you see how stupid that sounds to me. Please correct me if im wrong but is it not true that most if not all of today's top lofts breed according to performance and quality and not eyesign. To put it another way they do not use eyesign to pair their birds? Why is it that the men that claim to have this gift of looking into a birds eye and tell it is going to breed winners never make it to the top of our sport by breeding winners themselves? They are known as eyesign men not winning lofts? They sell books videos, etc. but never winning birds? This sport is called pigeon racing our aim is to win races if an eyesign man had a gift of picking breeders of winners by looking into a birds eye. He would be at the very top of this sport. Eyesign men have been about for years it is nothing new and in all that time not one of these gifted men ever made it to the top. Until eyesign men are at the top of this sport by winning races they will never be able to claim that eyesign works. So for all you eyesign men out there start winning races.

Thumper nice picture my option is if the pigeon can see out of it then it is a good eye.

You say im using diversionary tactics? all I ask was for you to tell me the winners you have produced after all your the man that claims he can pick breeders of winners by looking at their eye. I don't need you to pair my birds to produce winners I have done that every year from I started in the sport. But if you have no winners to show me it is you that needs me. Now all I will say to you, that can pick winners from eyesign is show me your race results. Show me the winners these bird you pick breed. I have now ask you three times to show me the winners. Why don't you show me and shut me up, instead of going round in circles, just show me the winners. You say you can pick breeders of winners by looking at their eye I say you cannot. Show me you can by showing me your winners.

Albear it was you who first put down the wager by saying you would keep the birds if you where right. Why would anyone let you come to their loft and have a guess as to what their best breeding pairs are and if you guess it right you keep the birds and if you get it wrong you loss nothing? I have the balls to put up 4 birds worth a hell of a lot more than the £4000 im asking you to put up. But you don't have to put up £4000 in order to prove you can do it. Just name me 10 winners you have breed in the last two years That's not many to ask a man who can pick the breeders of winners by looking at their eye. show me the proof you can pick breeders of winners by showing me your winners it is that simple. Don't try and make people believe your a marksman if you cannot hit the target?

Why don't you just tell everyone on here what to look for in the eye and they can then go check their top breeders to see if what you say is true? Lots of birds have two different eyes so what one should we look at the right eye or the left eye? Does your eyesign tell you what pairs to breed to get winners in a tail wind or a head wind as very few birds are good at both. If you could do what you say you can do and pick breeders of winners just by looking at their eyesign please show me your winning results for the last 3 years. If your like most eyesign experts I have talked to you wont have any results worth talking about so ask yourself why.

I have ask the eyesign experts to show me their results, If you can go to any loft and pick the birds that will breed winners name me just ten winners you have produced in the last two years. If you read what I said before I have good breeders but they are only good breeders when paired to the right mate. They are not good breeders when paired to the wrong mate so explain to me why the breeding eye does not breed winners when paired to the wrong mate. When you say, you look for in the eyes is the genetic make up of the bird, the eye shows you the genetic characteristics that you need. Did you know you can breed two birds from two different genetic back grounds and produced winners. I would like to know what you think you can see in a birds eye that will tell you a birds genetic back ground. Can you tell it was its GG sire that was responsible for a bird winning and not its G dam from a different genetic back ground if you have not seen their eyes. As far as coming to my loft and pick out my 4 best breeders and keep them if you get it right. I will agree if you agree to put down £4000 if you get it wrong. I will make it easy for you by only having 8 birds for you to pick from.

I have ask the eyesign experts to show me their results, If you can go to any loft and pick the birds that will breed winners name me just ten winners you have produced in the last two years. If you read what I said before I have good breeders but they are only good breeders when paired to the right mate. They are not good breeders when paired to the wrong mate so explain to me why the breeding eye does not breed winners when paired to the wrong mate. When you say, you look for in the eyes is the genetic make up of the bird, the eye shows you the genetic characteristics that you need. Did you know you can breed two birds from two different genetic back grounds and produced winners. I would like to know what you think you can see in a birds eye that will tell you a birds genetic back ground. Can you tell it was its GG sire that was responsible for a bird winning and not its G dam from a different genetic back ground if you have not seen their eyes. As far as coming to my loft and pick out my 4 best breeders and keep them if you get it right. I will agree if you agree to put down £4000 if you get it wrong. I will make it easy for you by only having 8 birds for you to pick from.

You say the pairs were obviously suited to one another but once they were split they where not. I know that and I found that out by racing their offspring the only way to know if a pair will breed winners. When you say not suited you are saying that I was right and in comes down to Genetics because according to the eyesign experts if a bird has a breeding eye it has an eye that will breed winners (no matter what it is paired to) if it matters what it is paired to then it is Genetics. Why did the eyesign not come into play when the pairs where switched? Don't try and tell me that it is only a breeding eye if you can find a mate that has and eye that suites it. That would mean it is only a breeding eye if you find an eye to pair it to and if you don't it is not a breeding eye. Why don't you study the champion fanciers? you will find not one of them got to the top breeding on eyesign. The thing that annoys me is that there are new comers to the sport reading about eyesign and so called eyesign experts telling them they can pick breeders of winners just by looking into their eyes. I wish it was that easy, For you so called eyesign experts prove to me you can do it show me you are a top flyer in you country. Not one eyesign expert has ever impressed me with his race results.

I did not call you stupid what I said was the statement you made was stupid when you said you can go to any loft in the world and you will pick the best breeders. I never said eyesign was rubbish but who ever did was right on the money. Name me five of today's top pigeon familles that where built on eyesign. Why is it that the worlds top men laugh at you when you ask about eyesign? Why is it that the eyesign experts don't have the fastest birds? Why do they only talk about eyesign and not about their results?

You ask me who says good eyesign birds do not breed all winners I do, name me one pair of birds anywhere in the world that have breed all winners? Have I had a real expert eyesign man pair my birds no, there is no such person. I have a pair of birds in the loft that have produced 15 first prize winners and another pair that has produced 21 first prize winners. I took the cock from pair number one and put it to the hen of pair number two and the cock of number 2 and put it to the hen of number 1 and they produced no winners. One bird from each pair must have had good eyesign to have produced so many winners so why did they not produced winners when their partners where changed.

For any new comer to the sport search online for the top fanciers in the world lots of them have web sites. Send them an email and ask do they pair their birds according to eyesign or performance. If you want to learn about racing pigeons take advice from the men who are winning.

If you can look into a pigeons eye and tell if it is going to breed winners why are you not breeding winners? If a man was able to look into a pigeons eye and tell it was going to breed winners he would have a loft full of winners do you? Do you know of such a man? I will ask the question again why do good eyesign birds breed birds that do not win. Take a look at all the top birds that ever lived and ask yourself why did the parents of these top birds not breed 20 or 30 birds just like them? Genetics is what makes some birds better than others not the parents eyesign. If the parents eyesign dictated the quality of their offspring then all their offspring would be the same. No two birds can produce the same bird twice no matter how many young they have. If there is something in the eye of a pigeon that tells you it breeds winners then all its young would be winners. You tell me I need eyesign birds to breed winners so what do I need to breed eyesign birds?

The answer is Genetics. Breed from a family of eyesign pigeons and you will get eyesign pigeons. Breed form a family of soft feathered pigeons and you will get soft feathered pigeons. Breed form a family of fast pigeons and you will get fast pigeons. If you want to win eyesign shows breed from eyesign birds, me I like to win races.

It is a fact that not all the birds form good breeding pairs go on to be winners so if it has anything to do with eye sign of the parents why do they produce birds that don't win?

I can go to any loft in the world and I will pick the best breeders what a stupid statment to make. All these eye sign experts should be the best racers in the world if they can do what they say they can but their not? The facts are you can only find winning birds by racing them and you can only find birds that breed winners by racing their offspring.