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Yes that is the most I ever paid for a bird but I have had some of the best birds about in my loft. I have good friends. You can get Ganus birds from his UK partner Peter fox at http://www.syndicatelofts.com/ If you cant buy the birds ask to bye eggs.

Today's birds are down from the best of yesterdays birds, the ones that made it home, the ones that where the fastest, the ones that survived the sickness,

Albear A dosage of 2 to 3 mg/kg ivermectin is recommended as a safe and effective antiparasitic drug for falcons and it has been used successfully to treat infestations of Serratospiculum species. Is this the same suff you say knocks them over.

Albear You are right about peregrines the only defence is to fly low. I was talking about hawks hitting the birds in the garden.

To add to my last post I think there is different birds for different kinds of races but not distance.

What is the hardest race for a bird that fly's at 50mph in a still wind a 250 mile race with a 30mph head wind or a 500 mile race with a 30mph tail wind? I hear people say that short distance is 75% man 25% bird and long distance is 75% bird 25% man. Are they saying that the short distance man knows 50% more than the long distance man? Also if the short races can be won with any bird why is it the same men winning the short races? Are distances men only distance men because they do not win the short races? Why do the distance men loose as many birds in the short races as the sprinter? Why do the distance men race a full team on the short races and then only send 1 or 2 of them to the 500? Where I come from the men winning are winning at all distances.

Albear You say leave them out let them get used to strikes and learn how to avoid them by going low Percy will pull out ‘cause he knows its dangerous, you’ll lose good birds but no point in breeding the same again because if they aren’t streetwise they’ll get taken. My advice is get you birds into the loft don't let them hang about your garden when not flying. If you leave them out in the hope they will learn to not get taken by hawks you will end up with a garden full of feathers. My advice is if you like you bird to be in the garden build yourself a small 3ft x 3ft cage made from piano wire. That way you can view the bird you put in it without obstructing your view. That's why london zoo use it so you can see the birds more clear. It is not your fault if a silly hawk hits it at 70MPH when attacking the bird you have in it. It is not a trap its just a cage?

Maybe they just want some greens try some rabbit pellets.

When where you talking to R

Yes gangster R had a good sale my only hope is that no one from where I race got any of them, other wise im in trouble.

I had not spoke to R in over a year but went to his da,s house to give xmas cards to R and his Da, They are both looking well and I was glad to have talk to them. So if you where reading the posted on here you know when I said I learn from the best you know I tell the truth. You will also know my results are real but nothing near R,s results.

Why do you not call me anymore mick? I do not have your new number call me tomorrow I will be in all day.

im J

Are you Mike from man?

Mike I have one out of the ice cap paired to 43 one out of the gelooger full brother to bull head paired to dam of bull head one out of the 388 paired to full sister to 388 one out of the 499 paired to D79 All have breed winners

Mike, I know where you live.

Do you race in the Fed

I was also there where you there with JG if so you must be GS

I was in mikes other loft in Holland, well the one he has a share in.

birdman55678 here is the link to the mattens cock. http://www.ganusfamilyloft.com/goldenmattens2.htm

birdman55678 This man GFL also got 11 young birds on a drop from 500 miles a lot of us can not get old birds 500 miles and this man can get 11 young birds on the drop.

gangster Is there anywhere else you can get them.

birdman55678 The bird is the mattens cock now owned by a friend of a friend of mine from your part of the world the USA. The owner of the bird taught me a lot about racing pigeons when I first started. When I say GFL you should know who im talking about as he owns the best collection of birds anywhere in the world.

Ok so you want a trick for your birds? well we all know stress plays a part in our sport. So if our birds fear us every time we lift them or enter the loft they can feel stress. I can walk over to any bird in my loft and lift it with one hand none of my birds fear me. Here is how I tame my young birds, when the young birds leave the nest they are taken to the young bird section and left on some straw on the floor. as they cannot yet fly. The young birds are fed 2 or 3 times a day I placed their food on a table some 20 ins off the floor. A piece of ply wood hinged to the side wall so it can be folded up when not in use works well. As they cannot fly yet you softly lift each young bird up onto the table so it can feed after 4 or 5 days of doing this the young birds associate your hands and getting lifted with something good. On about the 4th or 5th day they well be running over to you to be lifted up to the table. After that they should never fear your hands again. This may sound like a lot of work but when it comes to putting the birds into the basket for training or racing you will do it in half the time. I have been in lofts on a friday watching the fancier motivate his birds for the race then chase them all round the loft trying to catch them for the basket, the last thing that bird remembers going into the basket is not its motivation but some nut chasing it round the loft. What bird wants to race home to that?

Can some of you eyesign men tell me what is in its eye that no other bird has?