As I said I am not knocking anyone the painters are top class fanciers, but I know fanciers who kept birds racing till a good age because they did not breed the right stuff so all I am saying is there is no gaurantee that even though this is a top racer, that this will breed winners so in my opinion and my opinion alone it is a bit pricey, but others will disagree with me and someone may buy it and it will churn out winners, I hope it does but this forum is here to have an opinion and this is mine and that is not knocking the Painters or anyone else.