I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN I HAVE HADE 6 KILLED IN MY OWN GARDEN THIS YEAR AND ALSO IN THE GUY NEXT DOORS GARDEN HE,S CAME TO ME AND SAID KEV ANOTHER BIRD DEAD IN MY GARDEN MY DOGS HAVE HADE A GO AT THEM BUT THAY HAVE HADE A GO BACK TO THE DOGS THE JACK,RUSSLES GO NUTS BUT THE THINGS WONT GIVE UP EASY THE TOTAL WITH OLD AND YOUNG BIRD MUST BE AROUNG 15 OR SO PS THIS HAS BEEN PROVED I ANT TELLING PORKIES MY M8 DONALD HAS SEEN THIS IN MY GARDEN THIS YEAR HE COULD NOT BELEVE IT HE,S JUST BACK INTO PIGEONS HIM SELF