oh well guys its been a long hard winter and as i got the two cocks at the back end of august i decided to pair one of them up with an arden hen i already got from walter anyway they produced a wee rotten ugly squeeker that i just left to mature [had to take something] in case the old guy stopped filling that wee ugly squeeker is still ugly by the way but the 2 old cocks along with 2 walter boswell arden hens have bred me 4 cracking youngsters i dont go for floating the eggs to get more from them [ive not got the space] however they doo have an empty box next to their own just in case they want to extend the family :emoticon-0140-rofl: cheers walter