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Albear. Could it be possible that Stuart, Pigeonscout, Saffer and Chris are all the same person or maybe even all club members and are only on here to disrupt the list. I for one could claim to have won twice as much as pigeon scout but that would mean nothing unless I would post my name and where I flew so the results could be verified. All claim without backup are false to me and will continue to mean nothing without verification. I do believe pigeon scout has much to contribute but for some reason or other will not part with any actual knowledge. I just flat out get tired of reading all the same old stuff over and over again. Lets get to some factual pigeon related subject not the I can do this cause I have won everything that has ever been. Everyone knows eyesign can't be validated and those that do not want to listen will always remain a closed door. Its best to ignore the nay sayers and continue on with those that do want to know more. There is a member in out club from Belgium that is a very outstanding flyer and has results that I envy. He also does not believe in eyesign and will not even discuss the subject, I was at his lofts this fall and was remarking on his choice of breeders. I noticed that all his breeders had either white eyed cocks on yellow hens or vice versa. When I asked him he told me that everyone that knows anything never pairs birds with the same eye unless it was yellow to yellow and then only if absolutely necessay. This told me that he does use eyesign but only for what he deems necessay. When I told him this he exclaimed it had nothing to do with eyesign. Go figure. Best regards to all. Ed

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Tim thats a very wise decision. Without that segreation you would soon be flying west of england racers.. LOL. Ed ;D ;D ;D

Thumper I would say this bird will breed you very good racers and should help or continue your success. Ed

Very good job then. Ed

Westy. It served that WOE right to get his butt kicked for being in with the good birds. Ed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Deb. I dont believe you are stupid. Just inexperienced and needing some knowledge. What I suggest is to put the pairs in the nest boxes and lock them there until the nest is made and the hens are holding tight. It will amaze you at how fast those yearlings will defend that nest box. Good luck with the birds and keep your head up, at least your wanting to learn and this is the place to do it. Regards. Ed

How far was that national race. thanks. Ed

Hello Vic. I also do not agree with everything you say and seems to me you beat around the bush alot and don't really get down to the real question. But over all I enjoy your writting and believe that knowledge is knowledge and hurts no one. With you I have to read between the lines a lot and seems to me you are very knowledgeable and have much to share when it comes to pigeon flying. Please continue. Everyone should just either take it or leave it but trust me folks there are lessons to be learned of lots of different sources on pigeonbasics. Just keep reading and learn what you can while the advice is available. Just my thoughts anyway. Ed

Well gal your job is cut out for you and hopefully it won't be a bumpy ride. Take the help offered and don't make rash decisions and know the rules and you will be fine. Good luck with your undertaking. Ed

Good post Roland. Although I do treat for cocci each year I have not treated for canker in many years, once in a while I do get a case of canker but the bird will be destroyed at first notice. I do not allow sick birds to stay in my loft and its my belief that especially canker is something that should be fought off by the birds immune system and if it comes down with it then something is wrong with the immune system and I do not want that to continue from any offspring the bird might throw. If a pair continues to have young with canker they also are disposed of. Again this is just my thoughts and what I do. Ed

Roland I agree. The hard part in all of it is trying to determine when the tough hard race is but if you send your hens it doesn't matter cause they will come anyway. Ed

Pigeon Scout. We have disagreed about the eyesign but I will definately agree with the above. Elderberry juice has been widely used in the past but many have forgotten its benefits and or how to use it. Good post. Ed

Bluebar 99. If the question is for me this is my answer. Morning of basketing normal feed, once all birds have eaten and drank the feed tray is removed. I feed the race team twice a day. I don't weigh the feed they always get whatever they want. I feed a premixed feed, it contains three type of peas, salflower, popcorn, red wheat and milo. Remember I only do this on the short races. Distance races I basicly do the same except the birds are given unsalted spanish peanuts at basketing. Hopefully this helps someone. Ed

It would depend on the distance of races you wanted to race. I would suggest if you are going to race short races then send the cocks. If racing the longer races then you have to send the hens. On average cocks will out perform in the speed races and hens will knock em out at the distance.

This is a great thread and one that needed asking. The facts are that the velocities of the birds today are much greater. In the late 50 I do not remember anyone giving vitimins to their birds during the race season, no one had specific medication programs, feed was whatever was available and training was nothing compared to what is required now. So I ask everyone this, IF the above had been done with the earlier birds would not their velocities been the same. I believe the answer would be yes. To now answer the question I do not believe the birds are now better, I just think the knowledge and no how are now more readlily available and in use by many fanciers. Just my thoughts. Ed

Hi Wiley. My birds go up with the concourse birds, here in the states we are spread out much more than what I understand you guys are there. The largest majority of the flyers are 40 north east of me and I am on the shortest end of the concourse, when I send 8 birds they always tend to stay with the main flock and go north east instead of west where they need to be. Only was to beat this is to train on a different line of flight. Only flew here one OB season and one YB season, hopefully I have learned more by now about the area and my birds will be trained a little differently this year. Later pal. Ed

Actually birds that are lost and go into another loft are not stolen, they are just lost, it should be the responsibility of the flyer to notify the club, from personal experience the majority of the time you will notify the club secretary and never have the call returned from the flyer or if they do call they will just ask you to release the bird away from the loft at a convientant time for you. I have heard that some flyer just dispose of the bird when they get a strange one in so as not to have the long distance charges and hassel involved. It would be nice if there were somekind of national policy here that was inforcible. Ed

Our concourse has no limits. I agree that only letting the top two count is total bull. Under your scenerio all position after first and second are false positions, I would refuse such a prize. Ed

I believe I agree on the mob flyer not being real. Only real problem I have run into is when someone sent 50 birds are the other 6 flyers only send a total of half that many. The 50 birds will create a drag and that is where to main problem lie's. Only cure is to fly more to equal things out. Ed

Wrong site I think. Try www.bitchdoggies.com.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ed

Now thats what I call a picture worth having. I am envyous. Ed ;D

Most health food stores pack the elderberry extract. I put two drops down the throat at basketing for raceday. Ed

I would say never to put bath water inside the loft under any circumstances. Even in dry climates the water will promote things you don't want in the loft. Keep the loft dry with lots of fresh air and you will be fine. Bath water in the aviary I have no problem with. Ed

Wow, very tough stance for your first post. I guess welcome and go ahead and let er fling. The actual facts are that many can do what you say can't be done, in most cases you do not even have to look into the eye to tell the top birds. Hopefully your second post will possibly have a little less tension in it. Thank you for reading this.. Ed