Good post here. I think money comes into play, being the root of all evil. Due to prohibitive costs Federations have dropped their Channel races. These were great trainers for the less experienced pigeons. They returned on a given route, and in this respect I agree with Davy, up the centre to Solway, then through the relevant valley to spread throughout the Fed. This no longer happens. If pigeon men could just get their heads round this idea, which I think is fact, them perhaps they could overcome their selfish outlook on racing and, due to financial restrictions, agree to Combine racing from the Channel. Not ideal, but better than National racing for the experience the younger pigeons would gain. I have no idea how to solve the problem of race route. I have heard you can train in any direction and if the pigeon is any good this fitness will make it take the correct line home. I have heard that you have to train on line. Pigeon men never agree. Is it that our pigeons are good enough and do home on line, but are decimated by raptors, thus explaining the losses, and then finally home hours later after having had to circumnavigate the problem area, making them look like plodders instead of the courageous bird they actually are?