Roland

Roundo you seem to rate them ... Fab four eh! lol

Yes was just going to say that to darren etc. that Ruby Mury was an Irish songster ... Marrier Pete Barber and moved to Northanthamton till their divioce like.

Could it be that it got out when the loft was broken into .. not actually taken .

Grantham is on the A. 1. just above the 52 that from Nottingham and thesleaford down to boston toward the seaside town of Skegness and the East Coast bOSTON ETC. ARE a 154 AND a16 ETC So Stamford to Newark (Wakefield) is better... simple really lol... when you train there weekley lol

Then the last post of Andy Galley

please note Gord Chalmers wrote: ...Often in experiments, massive doses of virus are given to experimental birds - really unnnatural exposure, far more than they might encounter in a natural exposure. So I think this would be an important part of of this study, and I contacted the author to ask if he might do that yet (since he is doing more work on the shedding angle). Gord. Then on the 25th September -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This past week on two different nights, Global news showed state and federal officials in Alaska capturing wild ducks to test for H5N1 virus - I believe they said they were going to try to get 20,000 samples. I'm the same as Tom - so far I haven't seen reports of infections yet, but I'm sure they're coming. However my point in posting the update was to give fanciers info to show that this hot strain can infect pigeons but that experimental birds didn't shed virus - which is an important point to argue if pigeons are targeted as a cause of the spread of this agent. I wish that the people who did the work I reported on had done one more experiment - expose a group of normal healthy pigeons to infected chickens to see if the kind of exposure that pigeons could have in a natural outbreak would also infect them. Often in experiments, massive doses of virus are given to experimental birds - really unnnatural exposure, far more than they might encounter in a natural exposure. So I think this would be an important part of of this study, and I contacted the author to ask if he might do that yet (since he is doing more work on the shedding angle). Gord. Please note Gord Chalmers wrote: ...Often in experiments, massive doses of virus are given to experimental birds - really unnnatural exposure, far more than they might encounter in a natural exposure. So I think this would be an important part of of this study, and I contacted the author to ask if he might do that yet (since he is doing more work on the shedding angle). Gord.

THATwould be gordon Chambers... in regards the German Test where pigeon have been give Avian flu that not only AFFECTS THE Brain by giving large doses he wrote firstly Briefly - a recently published study (July, 2006) from Germany showed that, yes, pigeons can be infected by the hot strain (Highly Pathogenic H5N1) of the virus killing chickens and some humans in SE Asia. Five of 14 experimental pigeons inoculated by nostril and eye died in a period of 5 to 19 days; the remaining nine birds lived and didn't have any sign of infection - but blood samples from these nine showed that they had significant levels of antibodies to this strain, indicating that they had been infected. The only tissue that appeared to be infected by this virus was the brain; furthermore none of these infected pigeons shed or transmitted the virus to healthy chickens housed with them. However the researchers are presently studying the subject of shedding in greater depth. It's a good news (no shedding)/bad news (yes, pigeons can be infected by this strain) story. I've just submitted an article based on this study to the RP Digest, CU yearbook/Tom Cosstick (health officer), Feather Fancier, BHW and several other international magazines, asking for some priority in publishing for the sake of providing up-to-date info for fanciers, if it's found to be an acceptable article. Gord. Then. This past week on two different nights, Global news showed state and federal officials in Alaska capturing wild ducks to test for H5N1 virus - I believe they said they were going to try to get 20,000 samples. I'm the same as Tom - so far I haven't seen reports of infections yet, but I'm sure they're coming. However my point in posting the update was to give fanciers info to show that this hot strain can infect pigeons but that experimental birds didn't shed virus - which is an important point to argue if pigeons are targeted as a cause of the spread of this agent. I wish that the people who did the work I reported on had done one more experiment - expose a group of normal healthy pigeons to infected chickens to see if the kind of exposure that pigeons could have in a natural outbreak would also infect them. Often in experiments, massive doses of virus are given to experimental birds - really unnnatural exposure, far more than they might encounter in a natural exposure. So I think this would be an important part of of this study, and I contacted please note...

Could well be the kind of contact knows other M.P.'s that may take up our cuuse when dealing with DAFRA...

Chris also wrote again to say.... Roland No problem - I guess you must have just struck lucky writing to me about this - my Grandad was a pretty top notch pigeon fancier and won a few big races in his time - his name was Walter Ronald Cox and he even got me keeping pigeons when I was a teen!!! Let me know if I can help in any other way. Yours, Chris. Be nice if any one remembers the flyer ... guess a few will Could well be the gent that knows other M.P.'s that may take up our cuuse when dealing with DAFRA...

Chris also wrote again to say.... Roland No problem - I guess you must have just struck lucky writing to me about this - my Grandad was a pretty top notch pigeon fancier and won a few big races in his time - his name was Walter Ronald Cox and he even got me keeping pigeons when I was a teen!!! Let me know if I can help in any other way. Yours, Chris. Be nice if any one remembers the flyer ... guess a few will

Ruby Roland ofcourse lol

Electric fencing ... all legal. Some now even run on a nine volt battery and cost less than seventy pounds ... I have a three prong wire that runs of a Mains or car battery, but it is really wasted on my garden, but of course iI use it...

WRITTEN QUESTION P-4132/06 by Christopher Heaton-Harris (PPE-DE) to the Commission Subject: Pigeon racing The UK government has yet to decide whether or not British pigeon fanciers will be allowed to compete in an international pigeon racing event in France. All other Member States of the European Union have been given permission by their respective governments. Does the Commission believe that there is any reason, in particular relating to fears of spreading Avian Flu, for the UK´s pigeon racers not to be permitted to participate in this international event? P-4132/06EN Answer given by Mr Kyprianou on behalf of the Commission (19.10.2006) The Commission’s view is that the situation concerning avian influenza is still difficult to anticipate. The beginning of the migratory season of wild birds increases the risk factors for a new introduction of the disease into the European Union and Member States have been urged to be extremely vigilant and to increase biosecurity and surveillance measures. The Commission has recommended Member States to base their decisions for the authorisation of national and international pigeon races on the outcome of a risk assessment performed by the competent authority which shall take into account the existence of high risk areas in the respective country(ies) and the prevailing epidemiological situation as regards avian influenza in poultry and wild birds. Member States have recently largely confirmed to follow the recommendation of the Commission to prohibit pigeon races in and through areas where restrictions have been set up following positive findings for highly pathogenic avian influenza in wild birds or due to avian influenza outbreaks in poultry. According to the information provided to the Commission by the veterinary services of the United Kingdom (UK), the general licence to British pigeon racers to participate in international races which was granted based on the favourable outcome of a risk assessment dating from 24 July 2006 was revoked at the end of this year’s international racing programme. The UK intends to review and update their risk assessment at the end of the wild birds’ autumn migration period. The Commission's understanding is that the current ban is therefore temporary, pending the ongoing revision of the risk assessment by the UK authorities.

Dear Mr Mayhew, I have attached the answer given by the European Commission to my Priority Parliamentary Question of last month, which I tabled on your behalf after you contacted me. I have also asked my press team in the U.K. to make this information available to local pigeon racing clubs, as well as the trade magazines and other literature. This is aimed firstly at giving people information on the Commission's position, and also to invite feedback about that position, as well as the position of the U.K. Government. If you know of anyone else who may be interested in this information, please feel free to send it on, and ask them to contact me if they think I can be of further assistance. Your sincerely, Chris Chris Heaton Harris MEP will add his peply below

But Be;ieve that only the hen can cope with killing a pigeon ... may be wrong of course ... thought I was once, but then found out that that was a mistake lol... But the Game Keeper that flies in our club put that across to us...

Only the hen hawk will attack when after a long time she's off the nest and has biggish young... she will tackle one then. If you ever lose one in the garden or so, remenber two things, when the wings are covering the bird it is pretty engrossed in what it has and it is possible to walk up and... 22. If disturbed it will come back for the bird ... I have a metal grid where the dead bird would be placed upon, attached to wires... Like to give them a warm welcome.

Well I feel one should look at the weather forecast. If it is on the day as forecasted then great, if not then I don;t feel you will be far out... and distance sent. If I felt it was possiblely a hardish race I feed upto 2 hours before the race. Hopper feeding means I take away night before to decide whether a noon snack or 4 Oclock feed as much as they want. Hopper feeding with a good mixture means they don't get over wieght... but not knowing what WE have in store for them can be akward sometimes.

Lol. Just finished putting up the soft rubber covered with soft sponge at the bad of the traps... hoping to cut down on injuries they trap so fast lol ... wind right up their jackcy's down always help lol.

Prime locations... hard to come by I guess once they have them the thought of packing up never becomes much of a reality lol.

Please note I didn't say Pedigree lol

OK all you wits lets have some Ruby names for this pedigree then we can print a for out of course. Ruby Wax I guess for starters on the Hens side …

What time does the Auction start lol

All interesting posts them. I like the post of Silverwings especially. Have of course eaten stinging nettles years gone by. they boil down to next to nothing. And seemingly Elderberries have a great sauce of Vitamin C...and other commodities of course and is being talked about for a few years now and I still haven't tried them... year befare last was picking them... but kept going back to picking the Blackberies and mushrooms the selfish uncaring s*d I am lol.

Great mucker, Sothe lady in question get this loverly Red Hen, and calls its steffan, and it has 32 different Ruby(s) in it's pedigree of course lol. Then the new proud owner shows it of saying what a wonderful and bright caring and ever so loving wife his got lol Bring tears of happiness and joy every other night it's mention lol. Oh for them tears of joy that crack your ribs laughinh lol. Yep I think that's a great idea... just joshing of course.... on second thoughts...

Any body can win with a smile... better those that smile when beaten OR THAT is silly really, so let's not talk rot. A friend face that smiles when beaten is good in as much that one has to learn to lose gracefully before they are able to win with honour, granted. Better the fancier that always acknowledges te winner with a firm hand shake, and strives to be there in stead mnext week I'd say.