Roland

It's fine by me to leave you alone Jack... If you don't take a swipe, a cheap shot then ask! You state what, and how, you did or see things, then tell me I'm wrong, refer to my friends as lowlifes, and cast other aspertions... Then say 'Let it drop, that you don't want to discuss it etc. and to leave you lone! Blumming cheek!But that's fine also, just don't cast aspertions or untruths first then ask. So let's just let it drop, and you do what you do best and discuss Eye Theory'. I will certainly leave you alone then, as I know very little of that, except to say it is a theory and everyone to their own.

Lol so when making a hole with a pin and it's called a pin ----- it has expletives removed lol.

Saw a great topic once where it was that when a stray, or such landed the writer put a small worm down the birds neck. - Possible washed it a mite, or cleaned as such, but had them up and awa in no time. A jot of protien does work wonders.

Three peanuts only, and they will work wonders.

Jack you haven't any papers to prove Bob of anyting of the like. I have, like thousands of others read the courts mandate, and he was aquitted of any wrong doing. That is the Fact. A person was - or wasn't bring in to Austaralia imports etc. that was afriend of Bob's whom Bob apparently - like countless others - did the eesign for them. So I do believe that you insult his memory, and are misleading many on that. Indeed you owe his memory an appoligy. For the simple reason is 'Yes he did go court! No he wasn't found guilty! Yes he was aquittered.

The reality is 'Tipplers' have the best racing eyes for racers. Feral often carry a great eye.... but then they can and 'Home at speed ... a young Feral allowed in the loft and treated for he usual... - if so wished, will if tossed beat your young birds home every time. How far and what their capabilities are when older raises an interesting augment, but that is diverging. Personally I don't think Spencer, or Jack are out of order... if Jack feels the heat is rising in the 'Kitchen' and wishes to refrain so be it, But I personally think it is an affront, yes a blumming cheek to even bring up the 'Removing him' let alone the aserb statement that he should be. Jack you state and spout what you believe, write books about, and that entitles any one to read it, or raise points. Seems that the most prolific Eye Sign Man who drew on a personally wealth of experience and seminars etc man was Bob Flemmings who is sadly no longer with us. And yes I know he spouted etc. at you Jack ad you went off into the distance never to be seen there again. Now I personally wouldn't like to see that happen here, neither you nor Spencer, for it can only be good for the topic if discussed and pointers, believes true or imaginary, and are brought out. Now the worse scenario is when the supposedly 'Well adverse' in this case Jack and possibly Spencer too, stay and in time eventually agree to differ which they certainly will do in time. But to say 'that the last... ‘Give no one any credit when they are instrumental, and well known for their beliefs. So jack, the worst thing you can do is fold, cast insults, and be offended etc. etc. for that does neither you let alone the case for the 'Eye Sign' theory. I know Connie lives and breathes you like countless others no doubt. But to turn tail would also belittle them when they keep promoting you and you cause and latest Book. P.s. No need to reply about Bob as he can't answer for his self, and I am not knowledgeable enough to carry his corner, but could only go into the archives, retrieve and post. That with out personal ability wouldn't be fair to his memory or his name. So do us all a favour and forget the threats and insults and discuss / debate this topic knowing full well it is alright to disagree... not to be disagreeable.

Then next year 29 hens and 29 cocks... and 100 y/b's. It is absolutely massiv, and the main yardstick is once the places of perching are filling, never add more. Yes every season you will have a dilemma to make way for new birds. 24 old birds is more than enough. When perches filled, and you get to know your birds... Good luck mucker.

Well I have bred 18 y/b's... with one ready to be taken away. There are about six in a stack loft - never had one before and hate it ... so I feel confident I should be able to fly both ways( I am still in a South Road club after all, though I resigned from all the National and bigger concerns. They are, and have been a good club to me, and they need the pennies ... , and in three clubs one South and two North. Of course the 'Fans' can get splattered, but that happens, but nothing in this game is set in concrete. I took a tally of my old bird 'Race Team' which will actually be 22, including the yearlings, so I will put them altogether soon, 9 hens and 13 cock birds, with a old 1 year old. They will be on their toes I bet, and should race each other home. Week after next I hope to send every week, and

Better still, why not just *expletive removed* a pin hole in about a quarter of an inch down. But I believe that if the nest date is ripe, and then not sitting for 6 days again, things balance out right. Further I believe also that the 'Natural' moult gives a bird an extra zip and btter form.

True of course, stand corrected, but thought it was a referal to 'Racing Pigeons'.

http://www.okcfox.com/players/news/special_reports/video.shtml Left the Breast implants on for some... bigger muscles to fly the birds with? ! lol

Never sent any ...

Sorry Someone hasn't got to do it... and it is harder every season to get a thick skinned fellow to stand up to the plate ... mind that won't stop the long knives being drawn.... never has and can't see it happening now.

Our Federation can't get one! The 'Race Team' have it in turns when forced upon them. Have had snotty threats to wifes, voilence offered to their own person etc. Bad lanquange down the phone to whoever answers. Seems best that 'NO ONE' admts to being the 'Race Controller' when it was their turn.

Let out every 3rd day for starters, then fetched back if need be.. Needs to have and feel freedom. Then must feel safe. thirdly a desire to stay, so must be content in it's new enviroment. Also if possible feeding at it's new home onl.... one can before moving house if able, to take the birds to their new home and feed them there each and every day. They will soon be flying there to be fed.

Infinate wisdom... lol

Rusty … ‘no word lanarkshire fed 1.30 ?long way to ripon or wherever’ Hunter … ‘lanarkshire fed is a joke … The ‘weaher at ripon just now is 12 degrees visability 6miles wind speed 16 mph direction south; P.s weather is spelt as such, and Ripon has a Capital R etc. etc And the beat goes on…. Just how silly and futile these silly comments are! Be the first to moan I bet when the returns are bad! Or a Smash! Give over you lot of silly twits, you make the ‘Convoyers’ job impossible, most are to scared or wise to even take that post, and then there is always the audacity of comparing with other clubs, feds and even different days. May I humble suggest that you volunteer to do these jobs your self, yes so you pay fed / club fees, but surely with all your ininate wisdom you should not only put up or shut up, but demand, yes insist that they give you the jobs… and if any one wants to post ‘I did it … etc. My reply is simple, why are you doing it now! Or is that someone else better is doing it and taking all the flak from selfish egoistic ‘No alls’ and do nowts’!!

you know in reality what is so sad... with comments and moans like 'Weer why are they up'! and ' Golly how far is

Never have, and can't see how a bent keel is, or can be a problem. Many outstanding pigeons have exce;;ed with them.

Eye is just a theory, at best too many a poor one at that. The biggest downer, as far as I believe, is that all the so - called experts disagree. If there was the slightest inkling that there was a fathom of relevance in eyesign theory, then surely by now, after a 100 odd years there would be a fundemental base board, one when certain parts told a story, and was agreed to by most that pofessed some knowledge of the theory. JMO I am a not a believer, but would decry, or down the theory, especially out of hand, but I wouldn't be swayed in any way shape or form as to it's merit for any purpose ... But gypsies can cure things doctors can't ...

Yet mine take it with relish when ever I put it before them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint You can look up the parts it is made up from, and what their properties are and if any good.

Well they saved me money this year ... I resigned lol.

Ist in bath is nigh first home.

Was a time when 'Fanciers' accepted that the Convoyer / liberator was doing their best, and accepted losses and bad races as something that happened. Today with all the mod cons, it is proving more than ever a thankless job to lib, as the mod cons prove diddley pip except that we JUST can really forecast the weather mostly! So in real terms folks should be more tolerant and understanding with the controllers etc.