Roland

Not mine mucker, ahve a legal electric fence... Mate has a cracker too, runs of a NINE volt batter, and goes around his small holding.

Remember when they complained about my goats ... long story short I was assure I would be ok for permission... applied and it was refused. So I thought that if I hadn't applied... any way these people that complained weren't even in my street like. So when I decide I'd keep pigeons I have a quiet word in their ears... like 'A up mate, i know you won't, but if you ever here any one moaning or complaining about the pigeons I'm having in my ole goat shed... let us know mae, be adrink in it for yer. I know you don't care, but I'll sort them, their windows and cars out good and proper, golly, - with a evil laugh - I look forward to sort the balambs out... golly I doubt if they ever will go work again, ever junkie in the nieghbourhood with be queing up to have a go ... golly what they would do for a cheap fix ... Still keep yer ears open mate, I'll see you alright'. All nieghbours saw me chating to their nieghbours, and you know what, never a peep, not a sausage, even a little dickie bird from anyone.

And remember that THE council man has no right whatsoever to look inside your loft etc. etc. Indeed if he knocked my front door and asked - they usually try to state that they will look - to check my loft the answer is quite simply ;Sorry you have no right to'! Fact and full stop. Never mind the buzzocks about keeping things sweet, they don't need to look at any thing unless it is over 8 feet high from YOUR' garden ground.

Nah... Too many 'Do - Gooders' taking pot shots already without adding fuel to their so called 'Cause'.!

There is nothing hardly natural in racing pigeons full stop. Indeed the Father of the Jansenn brothers wouldn't allow the 'Unnatural' practise of widowerhood like many others. But that is a can of worms best left unopened.

Yes I knew that Sammy thanks mate... and knew that some animals will eat trapped anials... but was suprised a mite like. Shouldn't have been really on reflection I suppose.

I just read an interesting article on the NPO forum about ecoli and a sure cure for it. The article states: as soon as you see some birds vomiting, you give them 7 drops of ( never heard of this product before), maybe available in drug store or health food store, over 500 grams of their feed, and that is suppose to be the cure. It also states the many medicinal benefits of the product, maybe worth a try. Perhaps someone can give us some more info on this product?

Lol it should have read: the reason is that to day I found in the trap a mouse that had had it shoulder, neck etc. eaten away. I knew it wasn't a rat for there wouldn't be any mice in the trap... they don't mix as rat eat them...

No not wrong... just not accurate If I said that Widowerhood was just 'Keeping the sexes apart, show them to each other before basketing them then you would say that I wasn't right. Indeed widowerhoods will fly just as well to the 'Nest Bowl, or there nest box, so in reality it isn't necessarily correct to show their mates.... indeed why bother witha round -a - bout system if that works, for it will work even better with hens than cock birds... So firstly I appoligise Wiley for how it came across for I wasn't having a dig, I just thought that the basis needed a little more than what was given.

Mind personally I would only want to know what it is, and WHY.... then mostly it will prove to be not up to scratch... some are of course, but most unlikely.

And the reason I research this ... http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~insrisg/nature/nw03/0224housemice.htm Is to day I found in the trap a mouse hat had had it shouler etc. etean away. Knew it was a rat or there wouldn't be any mice in the trap... they don't mix as rat eat them...

Don't bother live trapping mice. They'll come back the next day! Read this report on the amazing navigational instinct of mice. http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/mus_musc.htm An excellent non commercial web site. Good descriptions and photos of the house mouse and numerous other mammals. http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extnews/askext/wildpest/322.htm Rodent control tips from the University of North Dakota. http://pestcontrolcanada.com/rodents.htm Canibalism http://ladywildlife.com/animal/cannibalisminanimals.html

Behave yerself, nothing like. Yes mine used to stay together all year round. But it is allowing 'Nature' the oppotunity to 'Condition your birds and settling them for the chosen races. Much forethought and planning has to go into it. Moreover a readily made system that can be quickly changed. Obviously they carry the first basic instinc, and that is the all important 'Contentment'. A nature 'Jealousy' is operated which EVERY motivation has t o have, at least in part. A equal hen will alway beat a Cock bird on the distance and hard days. Likewise now, good natural flyers are excelling against their counter parts on 'Widowerhood'. And this sems more so as fanciers are getting a better understanding of utalising the system. Open hole is great where it is possible, but not neccesary for the results one wishes to achieve or maintain.

Great Start that. Lets hope that contributors stick to the main themes and basics.

And if y/b's you can race them this coming y/b season. Egg or young in May will fly all the way... But June really plays the tune. Indeed any June bred bird will take all the beatng!

Well done Jimmy... will send Alf round to give you a cuddle like lol... but am pleased to see you have done all three of you a good turn!

Now that cucumber is built to raise a gallop, a cumcumcumber really lol

This young fella is barely 6 weeks and acting like James Dean. _________________

Yep... need only to let out and feed in... take up the road etc.

Yep, to condition them is mainly on what System. But feed protien till Monday, then add Carbs till Wednesday and then Carbs only. Obviously when distance is here you start earlier. Work, Play and then rest. These in that order with proper feeding I'd say. Hen sitting tight needs to be foced to exercise a mite...20 - 50 mile chucks then Cock birds made to sit a mite longer whilst hen relaxes... regardless of system.

So aptley put Darren.... wished I'd read that first lol.

If any one cares to see my posts I state that yearlings are more than capable of winning upto 500 miles, especially with sun on their back. Prince Jackson was getting yearling regularly from the 1000 miles. My main point is simple that yearling are apt to catch a cold in cold wins.... and many then are no good later on ... Also remember well a tough 450 miler when I first starter, where a yearling belted home in the pour non stop rain, and won Fed to boot, indeed only 7 home on day. Ernie Wilson, a wiley ole flyer said.... 'He'll lose that nigh first race next season, that's if he still has it ...' How right he was. Should have had a year out...

I believe that to many are RUIN as to lost, but then too many are lost because they think it is te right think to do.... Just look at the seasoned pro's and what he is sending, listen to his excuses, normally haven't had time ... so just sending a couple of ole troopers.... Means he wants a hand in the averages, wants the earlings for the Sun on back days of 250 - 450 milers, and has in the mean time rested the ones that should do the buisness on hard days and the distance. JMI As every one pays the prices and rolls his own dice. But if you can't fford the price, don't roll the dice. I have basically 12 yearlings, and 9 old birds for a team, 3 6 year olds, admitted it is ample, Some ( 3 two year olds to be tosed let alone raced yet) 2 two year olds had their first race Saturday last, not trained or raced as y/b's or yearlings. so I hope them 4/5 will show up well, from their breeding I have high hopes. 4 3 or 4 year olds. Was three minutes behind the winners, but they had had only 2 tosses before their first race ever! I now have 18 - 20 y/b's, 2 14 day old ones to be taken away this week. I have 10 pair of Delbar stok birds, so may well be overstocked next season, or at seasons end ... and I do like to breed a round of latebreds... for 18 months down the line. Yes I have ample room, and as a natural flyer mainly the time. But I believe one never does justice to their birds when there are too many, also one misses their talking to you when roof hopping. To be observant and do them justice, one should only need the glances, not peeringly looking and missing. JMO

So!!!? seems you are only interested in wining short and middle distance ... I know, you are going to say that they aen't distance birds, and may I ask you these couple of things then Carl 'If the yearlings are hammering the old birds, doesn't it follow that the old birds aren't so good because they were hammered as yearlings.... Then why do you bother to feed and train and race old boys, surely you are wasting your time and money with them, especially as you know the yearlings are going to hammer them'!

Any way the youngsters are now down on straw, Can't get any hemp stalks near here ... have to travel 50 miles for it, so will wait and order it and go when I need to toss some birds. Any way, pigeon keeping / racing isn't a rocket science. It is realistic commonsence and observation. Widowerhood.... think of the 19 year old virgin with a car and high hopes... even if the car is off the road. We are fortunate enough on here to have a very good and knowledgeable fancier.... His cripe is the Names and them not being able to tell where the holy grail is! There ent one, and that is why they can't tell him! Now when one becomes fit, one must allow the freedom and time for them to do this them selfs. Then they can strart training to get fitter. The fitter they are the more natural motivation they get, regardless of what we think helps. Sure the little bits help... but really only help us to listen to what they are telling us. When they have thier make up on, and wink at you, they will take all the beating! When tey haven't, then the only reason to send is for you own reasons whatever they may be!