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Like I say most don't have the first inling why they Incess their birds and what are the actully reason in what they hope to acheive. Incess pigeons - especially after a generation aren't for racing. The Idea is to generate a 'Blood pool or two or more of the 'Blood' you wish to keep in the loft so OUTCROSSED decendants do the racing. Yes you can keep going back to them, and you have to introduce more good blood lines regularly ...

Doesn't ring any bell with me Chassy... but that doesn't nessate anything. Will make a couple of calls tomorrow to someone that might well know. But at Xmas one must make allowances for the post etc. I guess.

I know, can't get me head around why it didn't on here... Is brill so if anyone wants ifectious laughing... send me your Email addie and I will forward it... Try this one while you think about it Tick Tock http://www.peterrussell.com/Odds/WorldClock.php

Yes, Blood packing is more the thing to - day... Red cell Oxygen etc. Go into a chemist, then Tesco's chemist etc. and ask how one best put in oxygen into the blood stream etc can. They smile usually and when pressed say. Finer, clearer and better air! Now an Oxygen tank, like the Hospitals use or supply (Which they don't actually) ... like my grandson needed till 3-4 years of age allows them access to better oxygen. But how to administer it eh! A pressure chamber eh? Make them masks? Probably the additives in the likes of Red Cell etc. do the bird a power of good! Me, well now I buy most things I want - or feel the pigeon need - at the supermarkets. Read the labels on them and act accordingly. But after 15 years of searching and pestering for the answers, without getting hold of the real McCoy, which is very illegal, then I feel you can't. Still have one eye opened for it ... but am resigned to doing without. Iron yes is good... but it doesn’t increase any oxygen in the blood, likewise anything else according to the chemists. Can't get a system legally for Humans without Doctors say so etc. Let alone for ... JMO

Yeah stick him in for 20 quid and me a couple - of quiddies lol (£10)

does this mean i can put your name down on the entry list andy ? Well No! lol : :B ;D

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Agreed, and I aways have honey in the drinkers on race day, and more importantly on their return.

First thing I'l do is just take the frame work and cover both sides and ceiling, underneath and on top with smal gage wire mesh. Then adde Vents on the outer side. And place a sloping roof downwards so you can always see all of the top about 18 inches over lapping each side... 6 inches even and double sided wire meshed to stop anything enetering. Put plastic Cladding fixed on side if you want some warmth ... that can be easierly replaced via the vents when more air is needed. One side place shelving or nest boxes, that are water proof of course. 15 inches deep by 12 inches square if only one nest round is needed... A 2 foot deep if more than one round ... when yougsters are being raised bring the nest bowl slight nearer to the front ... then at 14 days old put another bowl be hind... then when sitting eggs. Of course you have catered for a dorr into the loft ...

Too much room for starters... and you'll have to box something in sooner or later ... preferablely the Rampent cocks. Theybare too dominate. Another reason why I believe it is best to let hens choose their nests before being mated up and introduce the cock bird to her nest. JMO

Exactly, every 'Champ' was from the outcross! Then Line bred til the next out cross. The 'Blood Pool' was added to constantly too. Why his sons went far and wide in search of new blood.

Monday, December 24, 2007 Diets for dogs: What's the best food for your pampered pooch? by Flannery Dean CBC News It's one measure of North American affluence that we've begun to bring the same earnestness about what we eat to what our dogs eat, transferring our food anxieties to our canine companions whose recent ancestors appeared to thrive on table scraps and tinned mystery meat. With an abundance of zealously held views, conversation about doggy diets, like talk about religion, is becoming a socially dangerous undertaking. "Pet food is big business, so there is much misinformation out there by foods marketing for a larger piece of the pie," says Danny Joffe, a Calgary-based veterinarian, speaking on behalf of the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association. Informed choices Start by reading the label if you want a clear picture of what's in commercial pet foods, advises Susan Thixton, a pet nutrition expert based in Tampa, Fla. Meat and bone meal, for example, basically consists of whatever is leftover from human consumption, while chicken or poultry meal is essentially human-grade food and provides a superior protein source. While all ingredients are not created equal, neither, it seems, are the nutritional demands imposed by breed. Man-made distinctions between the chihuahua and the Great Dane don't preclude them from eating the same diet, says Joseph Wakshlag, assistant professor of clinical nutrition at Cornell University's college of veterinary medicine. "But could we be exacerbating a potential problem in a large breed by feeding them a diet designed for a smaller breed? Possibly," he says. "That's why we are seeing … Labrador formulas, Yorkshire formulas, starting to pop up in the pet superstores. Basically, we can help alleviate or decrease the risk or onset of certain breed-specific medical conditions by using food ingredients or manufacturing techniques." The verdict is out as to whether these breed-specific foods will translate into longevity over time. "The only thing we presently know is the appropriate body condition can increase longevity in dogs," Wakshlag said. After 25 years of experience, Lisa Newman, an Arizona-based naturopathic doctor with a PhD in nutrition and founder of Azmira Holistic Animal Care, has concluded that canines are meat eaters and do better on a low-grain diet. "[Dogs] need some grain in their diet due to their lifestyles being so different than their wild cousins'. Breed-specific food is a wonderful marketing spin. Since each dog, let alone breed, is so different in their nutritional needs, no one food could be best," she says. "What works well is a high-quality diet" — a diet clean of byproducts and toxic chemicals — "to provide basic protein, fat and fibre, which is supplemented according to the individual dog's needs." Myths abound When it comes to canine nutrition, popular myths abound and can produce serious consequences. Myth No. 1, according to Wakshlag, is that high protein causes growth abnormalities in large breeds. Coming in second is the notion that protein causes kidney failure. "These are often comments that the lay public and breeders make, and I have heard it from a few veterinary professionals as well," he says. "The next is that large-breed puppies need calcium supplements for strong bones. This myth is less prevalent, but it is actually the opposite. Calcium supplements may actually increase the risk of developmental problems." Following fads or marketing hype is another common mistake, Newman adds. "Just because a company can advertise on television does not mean their food is good. Dog owners should learn to … trust their noses. If it smells bad, it is bad!" Pet owners often wrongly believe they can't afford better quality food, according to Thixton. "When a pet eats a less than optimal food, they must eat more to meet the nutritional requirements their body is telling them they need. However, when they eat a better quality food — food that provides a good meat protein source — most animals eat about one-third less," Thixton says. "The better quality food ends up lasting a lot longer, because less is fed at each meal," she adds. A nice, home-cooked meal Newman suggests that fresh, balanced food prepared at home is the best diet for your dog. "Lightly cooking meats not only kills germs but starts the digestive process," she says. "I recommend this diet be mixed with a high-quality dry food for proper bulk and a back-up for when you don't feel like cooking." Homemade diets are not without peril, though, Wakshlag warns. "About once a week, we come upon a homemade diet here in our clinic that is grossly deficient in certain minerals or vitamins. Although the diets are elaborate, with many ingredients and supplements, they may leave out a calcium or iodine source. Or the multivitamin they are using for completeness is not a complete multivitamin." Raw-meat-based diets, described as a "dangerous fad" by Joffe, are frowned upon by the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association and the Public Health Agency of Canada. Both note that while the benefits resist scientific proof, the potential risk to animal and public health of these diets is well documented. Bacterial pathogens such as salmonella, E. coli and toxoplasma found in raw meat can also affect handlers and can also show up in the dog's stool, posing a possible risk to others. Salmonella associated with raw feeding shows signs of being resistant to antibiotics in recent reports, points out Joffe, who cites mounting evidence that raw foods are potentially not nutritionally complete. "Some folks say [by lightly cooking meat] we destroy 'enzymes' that may be beneficial. But I am pretty sure the high acid environment of the stomach and pancreatic enzymes that chop up those enzymes do a pretty good job or rendering those 'important enzymes' denatured or 'dead' regardless of the cooking, once they reach the intestine," Wakshlag says. Veggie diets Some vegetarians want to institute the same dietary regimen for their dogs. Many experts take a conservative approach, however, especially for puppies that have specialized dietary requirements. "Dogs are omnivores, and typically do not do well on vegetarian diets. It is possible to properly balance a vegetarian diet for dogs, but it takes specialty knowledge," Joffe says. He advocates talking to your vet before making any decisions concerning your dog's diet. "There are several commercial vegetarian diets — including one 'prescription' diet, available only through veterinary clinics, that is very useful in some cases of food allergies or in pets that have health problems that respond to an absence of meat protein in their diets," Joffe adds. "Vegan diets would be harder to formulate, and I would only recommend attempting this with the specific advice of a veterinary nutritionist." Newman, meanwhile, expresses strong reservations about vegetarianism for dogs. "I have never known a dog that responded well to a vegetarian/vegan diet over time," she says. "Soybean is a major source of vegetable protein, but dogs lack an essential amino acid needed to convert soybean to protein. As a matter of fact, a soybean-based dry diet is the number one suspect in many cases of bloat." In the end, when it comes to your dog's menu, use common sense, make informed decisions and maintain a little perspective, animal experts say. "I saw a centenarian on Good Morning America once," Wakshlag says. "He was 105. They asked him what his key to longevity was. He said he ate one candy bar every day of his life. "The bottom line is all dogs start with 'good nutrition,' far better than you and I, when you open that bag of dog food," he adds. "Now, if your dog has hip dysplasia and kidney failure, then 'good' or therapeutic nutrition becomes essential to his longevity. So it really depends on what dog I am looking at next, as to how nutrition will influence his/her life."

With great losses and 'Fly aways' .... but that is another topic. One must not get confused with Inbred and Line bred. They are two completely different things. Basicly most don't know the difference, and very few understand what and why one has an 'Inbred' family and the reality of why.

Amino acid, mineral and vitamin levels in hydrous faeces obtained from coprophagy-prevented rats. Close Sukemori S, Ikeda S, Kurihara Y, Ito S. Department of Zootechnical Science, Faculty of Agriculture, Tokyo University of Agriculture, Tokyo, Japan. SUKEMORI@nodai.ac.jp Amino acid, mineral and vitamin levels in hydrous faeces obtained from coprophagy-prevented rats were examined. Two experiments were conducted with rats of different age, 4 weeks and 10 weeks. Six rats each were fed under coprophagy-prevented and coprophagy-allowed (conventional feeding) conditions, respectively. In the first experiment using 4-week-old rats, amino acid values were determined for hydrous faeces and usual faeces obtained in the above-mentioned conditions. In the second experiment using 10-week-old rats, mineral values were determined for both types of faeces. Vitamin values were determined in both experiments. In a comparison of amino acid values and their patterns, specific kinds of amino acids in hydrous faeces were not recognized as growth factors. Sodium and potassium levels in hydrous faeces were significantly higher than those for usual faeces, but those levels were 1/(18-20) of those derived from feed. Although cyanocobalamin and folic acid levels in hydrous faeces were two to three times higher than those for usual faeces, folic acid supplements from coprophagy were 1/8 of those derived from feed. Cyanocobalamin supplements from hydrous faeces were five times larger than those from feed. Therefore, it appears that cyanocobalamin was supplied by the ingestion of hydrous faeces and that this cyanocobalamin supports conventional growth in rats. PMID: 12752827 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The plot thickens... Wells DL. Canine Behaviour Centre, School of Psychology, Queen's University of Belfast, Belfast BT7 1NN. Twenty-eight domestic dogs with the behavioural problem of eating their own faeces were treated in two ways. Half of them were treated with a citronella spray collar, and the others were treated with sound therapy. To assess the relative efficacy of the treatments their owners rated the severity of their dog's faeces eating for a week before the study began, during each of three weeks of treatment, and at the end of a fourth week during which they had not been treated. The owners reported a significantly lower incidence of the behavioural problem during the first week of both treatments, but in the dogs treated by sound therapy its incidence subsequently increased. The behavioural problem was reduced most effectively in the dogs treated with the spray collar, and continued to decrease during the period of treatment. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 12885213 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Caprophagy in the horse Close Coprophagy, or the ingestion of fecal material commonly raises great concerns in horse owners and handlers. To the uninformed, the behavior appears disgusting and maladaptive. In the foal, however, this is an integral component of growth and development and is therefore not considered abnormal, rather essential. THE BEHAVIOUR AND ITS BENEFITS In the foal, coprophagy is seen as a temporary behavior where the foal consumes small amounts of its mare's feces. The mare's feces contain a compound or pheromone that prompts such a response from her foal. The behavior is usually seen in its highest frequency for the first few weeks of the foal's life and continues until five or six months of age. Coprophagy benefits the young foal by helping to establish the micro flora of the gut. By ingesting the stool of the mare, the foal will receive the normal population of microorganisms that are necessary for the maintenance of the gastrointestinal tract. The consumption of fecal material throughout the first three weeks of life may also be of nutritional value. By eating small amounts throughout the day the foal receives a plethora of vitamins and minerals that may otherwise be lacking in their diet. This behavior does not satisfy hunger, but delivers those nutrients required in small amounts. Along with compensating for nutritional deficiencies, this behavior also acts to introduce a critical compound that the foal lacks. Deoxycholic acid is a bile acid that is passed from the mare to the foal through fecal ingestion. This compound acts as a protective substance that enhances the ability of the gut to fight off viral and bacterial infections. Without this compound the foal is susceptible to enteritis that commonly manifests itself as diarrhea. Along with increasing the immunocompetence of the gut, deoxycholic acid is fundamental in the development and function of the nervous system.

Smudger frightened you won't be high up in line... Still I won't be in the line so you can have my space too! lol :K)

Ah well at least some will get a good blow job done now lol 8) ;D

Read once where they reared Chickens on pigeon milk and they developed and grew times faster.

A young boy went up to his father and asked him, Dad, what is the difference between potentially and realistically’? The father thought for a moment, then answered, "Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Then ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars and after that ask your brother if he'd sleep with Tom Cruise for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what you learn from that. So the boy went to his mother and asked, "Would you sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars?" The mother replied, "Of course I would! We could really use that money to fix up the house and send you kids to a great college’! The boy then went to his sister and asked, "Would you sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars?" The girl replied, "Oh my God! I LOVE Brad Pitt! I would sleep with him in a heartbeat, are you nuts’?!?!? then he asked the brother if he would sleep with Tom Cruise. ‘What Tom Cruise for a million dollars?" "Of course’! The brother replied. "Do you know how much a million could buy’? The boy pondered that for a few days, and then he went back to his dad. His father asked him, "did you find out the difference between potentially and realistically’? The boy replied, "Yes, sir. Potentially, we're sitting on three million dollars, but realistically, we are living with two sluts and a queer." Three women go down to Mexico one night to celebrate college graduation, get drunk, and wake up in jail, only to find that they are to be executed in the morning, though none of them can remember what they did the night before. The first one, a redhead, is strapped in the electric chair, and is asked if she has any last words. She says, "I just graduated from Brigham Young University, and believe in the almighty power of God to intervene on the behalf of the innocent’. They throw the switch and nothing happens. They all immediately prostrate themselves; beg for her forgiveness, and release her. The second one, a brunette, is strapped in and gives her last words "I just graduated from the Harvard School of Law and I believe in the power of justice to intervene on the part of the innocent’. They throw the switch and again, nothing happens. Again, they all immediately prostrate themselves; beg for her forgiveness, and release her. The last one, a blond, is strapped in and says, Well, I'm from the University of Alabama and just graduated with a degree in Electrical Engineering, and I'll tell you right now, you ain't going to electrocute nobody if you don't plug this thing in’. Recovering from an operation in a bush hospital, a farmer asked why the blinds were drawn. Well explained the doctor, there's a bushfire outside and I didn't want you to wake up and think the operation was a failure. A henpecked husband had been ordered by his wife to buy only organic vegetables from the market garden. These vegetables are for my wife, he said have they been sprayed with poisonous chemicals? No said the gardener you will have to do that yourself. The vicar had not seen young Bill at Sunday school, so when he found the lad beside a country road minding his dad's cattle he thought it an appropiarate time to deliver an importune sermon. They are fine bullocks, Billy; do you know who made them? Dad did replied Bill Oh no the vicar smiled, God made those bullocks Billy’s shook his head ... God made them bulls dad made them bullocks! Puzzled about his first lesson in evolution young Joey arrived home and said mom is it really true that I am a descendant of apes, monkeys and gorillas? ‘I don't really know darling’, she replied, ‘I never knew any of your father’s family’. Two bored male casino dealers were waiting at a craps table. A very attractive blonde woman arrived and bet twenty-thousand dollars on a single roll of the dice. She said, "I hope you don't mind, but I feel much luckier when I'm completely nude." With that she stripped from her neck down, rolled the dice and yelled, ‘Mama needs new clothes’! Then she hollered..."YES! YES! I WON! I WON!" She jumped up and down and hugged each of the dealers. She then picked up all the money and clothes and quickly departed. The dealers just stared at each other dumbfounded. Finally, one of them asked, "What did she roll?" The other answered, "I don't know, I thought YOU were watching!" Moral: Not all blondes are dumb, but all men are men. Georgie Porgie pudding and pie, Kissed the girls and made them cry When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie ran away. Naughty "Georgie Porgie"of the Stuart era! The origins of the lyrics to "Georgie Porgie" are English and refer to the courtier George Villiers, 1st duke of Duke of Buckingham (1592–1628). King James I took Villiers as his lover and nicknamed him "Steenie" (a reference to St. Stephen whom in the Bible describes as having the "face of an angel"). Villier's good looks also appealed to the ladies and his highly suspect morals were much in question! Affair with the married lady - the Queen of France! Villiers most notorious affair was with his liaison with Anne of Austria, (1601–1666) who was the Queen of France and married to the French King Louis XIII badly injured both of their reputations. This, however, was overlooked due to his great friendship with the English King, James I (1586 - 1625). He was disliked by both courtiers and commoners, not least for helping to arrange the marriage of King James' son to the French Catholic princess Henrietta Maria (1609-1669) - he later became King Charles I (1600-1649). George Villiers (Georgie Porgie)exercised great influence over the King who allowed him many liberties. Villiers private liaisons and political scheming were questioned and Parliament who finally lost patience and stopped the King intervening on behalf of "Georgie Porgie". The romantic elements of of George Villiers and Anne of Austria are featured in the novel 'The Three Musketeers' by Alexander Dumas. A fireman is polishing his fire engine outside the fire station when he notices a little girl next door in a little red cart with a little ladders hung on the side where the garden hose hung tightly coiled in the middle. The little girl is wearing a fireman’s helmet and has the cart tied to a dog and cat. The fireman walks over to take a closer look, ‘that’s a lovely fire engine’ he says admiringly. ‘Thanks ‘says the little girl. The fireman looks closer and notices the little girl has tied one of the carts strings to the dog’s collar and the other string to the cat’s testicles! ‘Little colleague’ says the firefighter, ‘I don’t want to tell you how to run your fire engine, but if you were to tie that rope to the cats collar, I think you could probably go a lot faster’. The little girl paused for a moment, looked at the wagon, at the dog and at the cat, then shyly looking into the firemans eyes and says….’You’re probably right, but I wouldn’t have a frigging siren then would I?

Well personally I believe a fit and healthy pair cruise along rearing two, take it in their stride so to speak. The part though that bothers me, is the one not reared being the better option. Yes so you can decide Hen or Cock 70 - 80% unless both same sex of course. And yes the youngster in theory must be better looked after. But a gilli pot of Egg yoke works wonders too for that matter. Secondarily it is handy to keep down the numbers. JMO

Subject: Five Lessons About The Way We Treat People 1 - First Important Lesson - Cleaning Lady. During my second month of college, our professor gave us a pop quiz. I was a conscientious student and had breezed through the questions until I read the last one: 'What is the first name of the woman who cleans the school?' Surely this was some kind of joke. I had seen the cleaning woman several times. She was tall, dark-haired and in her 50's, but how would I know her name? I handed in my paper, leaving the last question blank. Just before class ended, one student asked if the last question would count toward our quiz grade. 'Absolutely, ' said the professor. 'In your careers, you will meet many people. All are significant. They deserve your attention and care, even if all you do is smile and say 'hello.' I've never forgotten that lesson. I also learned her name was Dorothy. 2. - Second Important Lesson - Pickup in the Rain One night, at 11:30 p.m., an older African American woman was standing on the side of an Alabama highway trying to endure a lashing rain storm. Her car had broken down and she desperately needed a ride. Soaking wet, she decided to flag down the next car. A young white man stopped to help her, generally unheard of in those conflict-filled 1960's. The man took her to safety, helped her get assistance and put her into a taxicab. She seemed to be in a big hurry, but wrote down his address and thanked him. Seven days went by and a knock came on the man's door. To his surprise, a giant console color TV was delivered to his home. A special note was attached. It read: 'Thank you so much for assisting me on the highway the other night. The rain drenched not only my clothes, but also my spirits. Then you came along. Because of you, I was able to make it to my dying husband's' bedside just before he passed away... God Bless you for helping me and unselfishly serving others.' Sincerely, Mrs. Nat King Cole. 3 - Third Important Lesson - Always remember those Who serve. In the days when an ice cream sundae cost much less, a 10-year-old boy entered a hotel coffee shop and sat at a table. A waitress put a glass of water in front of him. 'How much is an ice cream sundae?' he asked. 'Fifty cents,' replied the waitress. The little boy pulled is hand out of his pocket and studied the coins in it. 'Well, how much is a plain dish of ice cream?' he inquired. By now more people were waiting for a table and the waitress was growing impatient. 'Thirty - five cents,' she brusquely replied. The little boy again counted his coins. 'I'll have the plain ice cream,' he said. The waitress brought the ice cream, put the bill on the table and walked away The boy finished the ice cream, paid the cashier and left. When the waitress came back, she began to cry as she wiped down the table. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish, were two nickels and five pennies.. You see, he couldn't have the sundae, because he had to have enough left to leave her a tip. 4 - Fourth Important Lesson. - The obstacle in Our Path. In ancient times, a King had a boulder placed on a roadway. Then he hid himself and watched to see if anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the King's' wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by and simply walked around it. Many loudly blamed the King for not keeping the roads clear, but none did anything about getting the stone out of the way. Then a peasant came along carrying a load of vegetables. Upon approaching the boulder, the Peasant laid down his burden and tried to move the stone to the side of the road. After much pushing and straining, he finally succeeded. After the Peasant picked up his load of vegetables, he noticed a purse lying in the road where the boulder had been. The purse contained many gold coins and a note from the King indicating that the gold was for the person who removed the boulder from the roadway. The Peasant learned what many of us never understand! Every obstacle presents an opportunity to improve our condition. 5 - Fifth Important Lesson - Giving When it Counts... Many years ago, when I worked as a volunteer at a hospital, I got to know a little girl named Liz who was suffering from a rare & serious disease. Her only chance of recovery appeared to be a blood transfusion from her 5-year old brother, who had miraculously survived the same disease and had developed the antibodies needed to combat the illness. The doctor explained the situation to her little brother, and asked the little boy if he would be willing to give his blood to his sister. I saw him hesitate for only a moment before taking a deep breath and saying, 'Yes I'll do it if it will save her.' As the transfusion progressed, he lay in bed next to his sister and smiled, as we all did, seeing the color returning to her cheek. Then his face grew pale and his smile faded. He looked up at the doctor and asked with a trembling voice, 'Will I start to die right away'. Being young, the little boy had misunderstood the doctor; he thought he was going to have to give his sister all of his blood in order to save her. Now wipe that tear from your eye!

That is deffinately true ... indeed there is a big question mark as to just how much winning they do! Must be winning a few club races and a fed or two ... Nationals, well the juries still out on that. JMO

Sorry Vallance you post is axactly like the last 10 years, andvery bias and slanted at that like all pro ET brigade. But on every single aspect well people have LEFT through a new law / or any king of unlevel pllaying field the same ole tripe is dished out! Fancier DO and have LEFT THROUGH THE VERY REASON THEY SAY THE DO AND HAVE, AND if that don't sit right with you, then by all means abide by the facts, and just accept. Like EY's it did / does and will have happen so please pretend to bury your head, for like everyone else that wants one, you can and will live with that.... but don't spout slanted untruths .

True matey ... but a little more lee - way to the elbow of the more forunate eh! And when the not so good flyer - such as myself say- does hapen tp, just get a good one, it won't be yonks in front, and the fact is that a ET - by that better fancier mostly - may well actually have his bird a quarter of a mile behind, and then I - Like many others with be robbed, and EVERY week nigh, the manual clocker will lose out places to a better, and may i state a far superior, clocking device, and YES they won't be flying ay faster!