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No! I also think very few do think! It is mostly a disgruntled Fancier who has given up and lets the selfish, manipulative self oppinionate cliche to do what they want... they have given up... why the mass exodous!

Is an obligation for wires to be corked by law if asked ... or was, but I bet they try and opt out... use to be the P.P's job of course, but would say that all companies are under the say rules.... Perhaps scouring the internet will bring fruitful results, as bound to be there somewhere. God luck.

Amtrax? by any chance!

Agree 100%.

I meant is John Reid related to DOVEScots

Lol ;D B*****D

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True DOVEScot, many been doing that for 10 years or more. Know a few that give 2/3 a couple of days before basket day ... and many 2/3 on return from race. Others have placed them before them all the time... But as I often warn, TOOO much protein causes TOXIN poisoning and believe you me, you don't want any of that!

Well some will be regardless, ... as many do every week. But this isn't a norm Club / Fed race, this was / is a event where dedicated and thoughtful members (mostly) have had time before to decide and entered on the 'Race' from and that is why. Sure 'C**P' happens, but if one is realistic in thought and then deed, it should be held over to a more suitable time. Like Sennon Cove fiasco... 40 miles for a National... why many of us left, and I will be very surprised if I ever join the NFC & MNFC again, purely because they catered for the few and ignored the whim of the masses. Likewise now... A week later may well be a boon... Seen disatraous days in the sun more times that in the 'Wet and Windy' but we take that chance when sending. So if a options is available to holdover for a week - or even two / 3 - and pleases most, then that is the way forward surely.

Probably, price has been up twice in last hour and is perhaps waiting for it to peter out lol ;D

Is John Reid related? He flies in Canada B/C and hails from the land of big holes and little hills with many great big puddles! ;D Had many a good banter with him. He sometimes spouts in the BHW.

A week or so later may well be the goldern fleece. Seems to me that that is what should happen. Golly we all know how quick a pigeon recuperates in just, say three days, so I'd wager they be in fine fettle w a week on. Personally I would only be happy with that scenario if my birds were there!

A realist. Bin then regardless, more hassle than worth. Yes Pea nuts are good, indeed great in their place BUT shop for Human's only. And then not too many. 3/4 four when back from race, a couple each next two days is ampleful.

Well I never sent, so theoretically I don't have a gripe, or a right to one. But to me it is obvious that if one sells an idea on a certain platform, then it should be honoured regardless of any whims. No doubt about that! Further when one goes into these 'Race Set ups' they do so with the given base purpose to enable them to choose a certain kind of y/b for the task ahead. Indeed I would ascertain that many may not have entered if the 'End product' wasn't going to be as stated. I mean why a ‘Distance’ pigeon would be bothered to be entered - at great cost may I add - for a 'Sprint! Yes a 'Sprinter will be able to hold it's own easeirly up to 350 miles... whereas a Distance bird may just be coming it to it's own. Indeed I'd wager that the 'Distance' brigade wouldn't have bothered and felt more inclined to spend their hard earnt cash where it would recuperate more good. I.e. Training - cost of fuel, feed, also going skywards. I'd of the opinion that many wouldn't have bothered. I know I certainly wouldn't have for a no descript fly home. Like I say in Canada they were flying the y/b's 400 miles or more back to back... and we are here molly cuddling them ... or are it to appease the whims of the faint hearted and the sprint brigade? You pay your' money and take your chance... and the end product should be honoured as such! I mean all the risks, coulds and ifs were and was / or should have been thought out before the date was set and the basics drawn up... and should therefore be adhered to!

Very true and apt DOVEScot. Surely must be a reason for radical extermination somewhere lol ;D :

If in doubt leave them out... but you will be dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't. Other wil get some birds and that will always make one feel 'Wished I'd sent'. regardless of others losses. Another reason why I never send first race... out of the averages, so never a need to send in 'Hope' on a 'Wing and a Prayer'. Can you afford to lose the birds? Will next years nets / breeding be affected? If needed, a bit of paper is never worth a good bird, or a pretencially good bird! When a loft has a a good estabilished foundation you will always have a good idea... if you haven't, then it may well be that your loft is not strong enough and you're still building it up! You have to decide of course, and at sometime they all have to be tested BUT only when in geat condition and frame of mind! Send and lose some means you will be peeved off. Don't send and you will be peeved of and wished you hadn't. Jim ---- had some of the best birds available from many countries... never won much, was always finding reasons not to send... You know that one that you don't mind losing, the one that often surprises you as to how well it actually has done in retrospect! Was it because it was sent every time?!

You know, when I was oin Canada, young birds were flying over 400 miles back to back, yes consecretive weeks! Had young birds, in 1989, fly the Thurso in an absolute down pour, yes all day long for 3/4 days... yet got 2/3 three, and the other on Xmas day. Been a day earlier would have had 'Pigeon Pie' instead of 'Rook' for Xmas lunch .

No disrespect meant, but you will find - in time - that 290 miles should be a 'Stroll in the Park' for any bird, even y/b's. If fit and conditioned when sent! Outside of so called smashes - any losses would be a blessing. Saves feed and wasting time on breeding etc.

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A BOSS WALKED INTO THE OFFICE ONE MORNING NOT KNOWING THAT HIS ZIPPER WAS DOWN AND HIS FLY AREA IS WIDE OPEN. HIS SECRETARY WALKED UP TO HIM AND SAID 'BOSS, THIS MORNING WHEN YOU LEFT YOUR HOUSE, DID YOU CLOSE YOUR GARAGE DOOR?' THIS WAS NOT A PHRASE THAT HER BOSS UNDERSTOOD, SO.... HE WENT INTO HIS OFFICE LOOKING A BIT PUZZLED. WHEN HE WAS ABOUT DONE WITH HIS PAPERWORK, HE SUDDENLY NOTICED THAT HIS ZIPPER WAS NOT ZIPPED UP. HE ZIPPED UP AND REMEMBERING WHAT HIS SECRETARY HAD TOLD HIM, HE FINALLY UNDERSTOOD. THEN HE INTENTIONALLY WENT OUT TO ASK FOR A CUP OF COFFEE FROM HIS SECRETARY. WHEN HE REACHED HER DESK, HE SAID 'WHEN YOU SAW THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN DID YOU SEE MY HUMMER PARKED IN THERE?' THE SECRETARY SMILED FOR A MOMENT AND SAID 'NO, SIR I DIDN'T, ALL I SAW WAS A MINI COOPER WITH 2 FLAT TYRES!!!

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Learn Chinese in 5 minutes (You MUST read them aloud and the Chinese as it is written ) English - Chinese That's not right! Sum Ting Wong Are you harbouring a fugitive? Hu Yu Hai Ding See me ASAP ; Kum Hia Nao Stupid Man Dum Fuk Small Horse Tai Ni Po Ni Did you go to the beach? Wai Yu So Tan I bumped into a coffee table! Ai Bang Mai Fu Kin Ni I think you need a face lift! Chin Tu Fat It's very dark in here! Wai So Dim I thought you were on a diet! Wai Yu Mun Ching This is a tow away zone! No Pah King Our meeting is scheduled for next week! Wai Yu Kum Nao Staying out of sight Lei Ying Lo He's cleaning his automobile Wa Shing Ka Your body odour is offensive Yu Stin Ki Pu Great Fa Kin Su Pa

Don't worry... they'll get him bvarred lol ;D ;D

Of course HE was paid by Councils / Buisnesses to clear the birds in the first place!