Roland

Good belief billt But they never starve, and seldom do strays get eaten by cats lol. More likely the 'Home' birds there I'd venture in reality .

Same here Sapper. I always have done with not only this site but others too. Psss! I thought everyone else did lol Obviously not

Capital (Place, not Canada's Capital)

Of course there are always contraries to the rule of the thumb. But in reality winners are scare. What would one say? 1 in 100, more like a 1000 at least. So who wants to have a bash at breeding a round of say 6 pairs of strays? If Mealies and or grizzles I'd give it a whirl as I've said before. Yes I agree youngster deserve at least one chance. But the sooner, and regardless of what whims, theories or whatever one does it by, - it usually boils down to of course to the birds one has left in the loft - that the sooner a yardstick is implemented and stood by, the quicker and better the results will be. Not for a moment do I say that 'Others' have the right to enforce their will upon one. Nor use methods that take away any rights of the owners. Good grief nary a thought. At least Homesloft got his bird back. Known of some that 'Bin' strays spouting 'No Good to him or me'. This is of course outrageous. Sadly I fear the costs of not being able to afford the box home for them has put out a wrong, yet strong misnomer. A lad of say 24 has a wife, three kids and a heavy mortgage. He has a Fly away losing 34 birds of his 38 birds. Every week he has to balance the books. Make concessions as to just where his money is to be put, and further to justify the wife and kids. Mortgage for a roof over the head is / must be, first every month. Food and the clothing of course is a must. Then there’s the designer gear, footballs, school horrendous costs, etc. etc. 38 x £30 is way beyond most peoples’ means. He is saddened, but glad a handful are close enough to be picked up. Further saddened by those he simply can't afford to have sent home in a box. I know, like so many others I've been there. Indeed still am ... Been lucky too granted in getting them home luckily enough. So the sooner he has a regime in place that over rides his whims and a yardstick is put into place the better I believe.

Canadian

5 Minute Management Course: Lesson 1 : A priest offered a Nun a lift... She got in and crossed her legs, forcing her gown to reveal a leg. The priest nearly had an accident. After controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg..... The nun said, 'Father, remember Psalm 129?' The priest removed his hand. But, changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again. The nun once again said, 'Father, remember Psalm 129?' The priest apologized 'Sorry sister but the flesh is weak.' Arriving at the convent, the nun sighed heavily and went on her way. On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129. It said, 'Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory.' Moral of the story: If you are not well informed in your job, you might miss a great opportunity. Lesson 2 : A sales rep, an administration clerk, and the manager are walking to lunch when they find an antique oil lamp. They rub it and a Genie comes out. The Genie says, 'I'll give each of you just one wish.' 'Me first! Me first!' says the admin clerk.. 'I want to be in the Bahamas , driving a speedboat, without a care in the world..' Poof! She's gone. 'Me next! Me next!' says the sales rep. 'I want to be in Hawaii , relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of Pina Coladas, and the love of my life.' Poof! He's gone. 'OK, you're up,' the Genie says to the manager. The manager says, 'I want those two back in the office after lunch.' Moral of the story: Always let your boss have the first say. Lesson 3 An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing. A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, 'Can I also sit like you and do nothing?' The eagle answered: 'Sure, why not.' So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it. Moral of the story: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up. Lesson 4 A turkey was chatting with a bull. 'I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree' sighed the turkey, 'but I haven't got the energy.' 'Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?' replied the bull. It's full of nutrients.' The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree. The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch.. Finally after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at the top of the tree. He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of the tree. Moral of the story: Bull sh** might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there... Lesson 5 A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. .. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him. Moral of the story: (1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy. (2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh** is your friend. (3) And when you're in deep sh**, it's best to keep your mouth shut! THUS ENDS THE 5-MINUTE MANAGEMENT COURSE. Send this to five bright people who have enough sense of humor to take it!

In which case removing the ring allows them to know it has entered a loft, and as such gives the owner a choice of it's merit and any action he may, or choose not to take. Now let's face it, if a bird enters and feeds in another loft, surely it is less that 1 in 500, or 50000 that it will become national winners! Mind many strays have won for their' new owners. YES from the LOFT that they have adopted and taken to Plus many the stray that has bred some good birds.... but nigh always I deem for a loft it has taken to and not the owner.

I see sides here. But if a person doesn't bother with a £6 wing stamp, or a fiver for phone rings, it gives the impression that they don't want any reported. - Or can't afford the extra time or expence. Seems strange that one goes to the cost of Birds / Clubs / feed, training etc. etc. even scraping out but won't cough up for a contact number. In Homesloft's case it may well be an anti ET person.... and the ET brigade have a lot to answer for in their' selfish ignorant mould - but that's another story. If that is the case, and it is quite likely, I believe that this is just the thin edge of a wedge and many more will be having them removed. Nowt we can do about that... and like I say, personally I couldn'y give a rat's a$se. I let up two strays today. One was winged stamped, the other contact ring. Both will be informed around 7 tonight that they entered my loft. Infact I am really quite suprised that they both cleared... Mind they went up together. A large percentage of the time they hang around and become pests. But I have a spare shed, and a hospital cage, so that helps I guess. Now if they hadn't been 'Contact numbered' would I bother to ring them?. NO! Because I wouldn't have been able of course without the nuisance of going through, reporting and looking up etc.. Should I have taken the rubber of the rubbered one...? The other was ET ringed. Would that be being fair to both? Would or doesn't that in it's self mean one gets the benefit of knowing, as for the other, am I to think they've not worth bothering as he hasn't bothered and quite likely don't care OR is it a case of I CAN'T afford to know. Could it be a case of 'Just able to keep and race birds, but couldn't afford to have them sent home in a box'!!!!?

Irish (Please and single moult lol )

Sorry Homesloft, just re read your last post regard 'Winged Stamped'. But too many aren'. Mine are personally always winged stamped. Indeed our clubs a stickler on that which is good. But I would anyway.

Clayton says quote 'Can you explain with your high handed attitude to your property why put a telephone ring on if you don’t want it back'. Who is on about not wanting it back I personally wish to know if, or when my bird, my bird has entered another’s loft! Maybe there is a good reason, maybe not. Yes a youngster may well deserve another chance. - Personally I believe that, but to give it another chance one needs to know if it does need another chance - and taking the ring off gives you the chance to decide, and to KNOW if it needs another chance. One stray came in yesterday. Puffed up a mite and went into my loft. Fed and watered over night and allowed this morning to go on it's way - 45 miles. Has a phone number on it's wing. If back, or not - has cleared as of yet, but who knows. - Certainly don't want it to get the idea I'm running a hotel for others, - but either way tonight the owner will be told 'it dropped in and got fed watered and cleared, or it is housed on it's own etc. because it was winged stamped. Again he will have the choice to do and act has his right. Now I personally have never took a ET ring off... and don't feel I ever will, who knows. But I welcome anyone to take mine of if I haven't done the decent thing and wing stamp, or placed a ring phone number on it! I don't know whether Holmsidelofts did as such. If not, then he should be grateful. If he did, then they were scum. But at days end Holmsidelofts has the good fortune to know that his bird was imprisoned for the ET to have come off. Now as for the £1 : 10p, a cull will eat that times over before getting lost, or other excuses are made. Who knows, may have entered 2-4 lofts before fed and sheltered over winter to be bred of. So I believe the owner has a right to know.

shone

Well chances are that it has been in another loft. I'd gladly give the £1 : 10p to know that! Yep doing one a favour I guess. Used to be the rubber off.... so you knew. Gosh if it came back all in tact you'd have false notions. Is it the £1 10p? No I hear shouted aloud. Then in reality just what does it boil down to? Just whay does one blood boil? Disappointment with the bird and the proof it failed .... may way be saving you a few £££££'s by not sending to club races, let alone costly 'Nationals'. Fact is you know where your bird merits stands and are, plus it is most likely to go down first bit of a hard race now. Further, please, please, if any of my birds enter your loft, read the phone number and tell me, or water and feed and take of the flipping ring off! I mean just what is up with folks? the Guys done you a favour and not let you sit and dream it may well be a 'Champion' For the chances of that as just about zilch!

Predator

Like many other Old timers, I don't normally put the birds together till Last week March, first week April and quite easily race the second rounders. Eggs in late June flew Thurso 469 miles in Septmber. - Midland North Road N. 1987/9.

Musketears

You must be on about the 'Micky mouse' lot then!

tinglake

rising

Fair

Twilight, just before it fetched a world record of £625.

Exactly right.... so it sadly reflects so sorely just how low on the poop ladder the Scots are...

Who

But you know, never mind about the crap of oversea's players in the premiership, Every side in Europe, the world even are clotted up with so - called foriegners. Take the top two or three / four of Spain, Italy, France etc. etc. and see the names you can't pronounce.... Smith and Jones even lol. Not many McGreggors etc. granted, or even Macs unless raining, but ...

But a lot more than you will give credit for eh! But those English players that can't even make the 'English Championship' side would more than survice for Celtic, or Rangers too come to that eh