alf a few year ago i set myself goals one was for winning the fed averages which i have done for the last 2 year its like i,ve learnt my tread after that its the channel . thats why i,m changing a lot of things in my loft i know its different doos for the 600 milers but i,m just starting at that level and if i can get my doos as determined as i am to crack it i will be alright . maybe take a few years but i will not rest until i do it and do it costintanly . also hope some more of the north boys go for it . by the way alf thanks for the compliments .