I would agree with Chris I started out with not much knowledge on keeping doos but my club at the time at Fraserburgh have helped me a lot and given me ets system which I have looked after only been damaged once and repaired, returned working well back to the club when I left. Pigeon guys always try to help new starters but some people can be expecting everything to be done for them and returned no favour to them, that’s just greedy. I’m going to be back next year in Aberdeen club but if guys help me I’m fine with that but I have to make the effort myself and one day I will see my results.