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It's been mentioned many a time on here about the marking station at new/ green/house , I was told that it was like an oven for Newbury race marking , surely the snfc committee could arrange a better place than this also lessons should be learned about the water water/cans , no use blaming someone oly trying to help , but think it could have been handled better and as others have said members of the concerned pigeons should have had the option to remove them from the race prior to lib and all money's returned .

I'm not talking about yearlings going to the coast del , it's yearlings that win from the coast , not just coming home , to me most of these yearlings that put in a super effort from the coast to the Wild West they are a spent force for the future , but there's always the exception ,I'm sure someone will tel of this yearling that won this or that from the coast and went onto win this and that ,but they are few and far between .imho ps I would love to get all my yearlings to the coast ,even they they came back the next morn .

Hey Walter better to wait another week and have a go at alencon , 3weeks between races perfect IMHO , 4/5 tosses from between 40/60 miles on the trot and I you go stop them 3/4 days before basketing let them settle as long as their sitting right. I would be confident of getting a good un out of 7 . Cheers

Ye never answered my question rab I was talking about yearlings out of Dorchester doing well out of there then doing well when older ? Great post Peter .

Aye but did they win ? The ones that just homed were they the better birds or did they do well at Dorchester and do even better older ? Am away tae bed . Up st 5 get the birds done before work .

I've only ad one toss tis year when they never came all split up , Percy is def 100% killing our great sport , think it might last another 5 years max then it will be impossible to even let them out never mind train them , and some guys are getting or had this before now and have packed in because of it.

The carlin bros of kilbarchan. Wee johnny and davie tell me all the time. They used to just send to Stafford 232 miles no further as a stepping stone or their national doos , and thay had! Outstanding performances

U just can't stop them going , it happens in club racing even from the first races, u handle some birds that shouldn't be t he race, the problem l in the inland nationals as some Feds duplicate and u don't need to be a member of the national , some think they can just send ,it's only an inland race they say , aye these can turn into a slog . A lot of fanciers do set there birds up for these races and good on them , some cracking performances in last weeks Newbury race , all Down to hard work and dedication . Yes the quality isn't there I depth nowadays .

I remember a few years ago I spoke to Kerr stainthorpe. , he done a study on pigeons that won or done well from the coast , most of them never done really well from the channel , he found that the birds that had better performances across the water was birds that done well from the Leicester/ Cheltenham distance .ps this study was in is club/ fed

I find bad birds can get good pigeons lost , if your good pigeon is in the wrong batch , and has to break and head home itself then it's easy prey or Percy , this IMHO is why we are losing so many GOOD pigeons .

You on the swally ? Or is the same as me on this I pad. Predictive text . Pain in the *expletive removed*.

I've paid the price before thinking you can send them for a toss , just to get time on the wing for the channel , only to lose some of them . So now I just bother 270/300 miles is enough for my pigeons before the channel .

And to answer your question I haven't a clue , but think it would depend on the wind . , think a few years ago there was a pigeon up the east coast from a Belgium race and most have said it must have flown mostly over the water in a straight line to get home ithe time it did , poss les mackay ?

He pal I don't like them but everybody to their own , but IMHO there not in the same league as winning a channel race , yes the birdage suggests that they are popular , but how many are actually prepared to do themselves justice ? A lot of club/ fed flyers have a go at these type of races . Some of them send so that they can say i have sent to a ( national) , and every club has them. After 200 miles their not at the marking ,then they turn up with a few or the first inland national , and most probably have no chance of even getting home this is where some of the problem lies ill prepared pigeons .

You obviously can't read a map mate a straight line from Ypres to the central belt of Scotland They have more water to cross than from say alencon and to the boys in the north it's mostly water . It's Fkn shocking on here u can't have a view but you get jumped on . Just because I prefer long distance racing to inland racing , I've topped the fed from 60 miles to 543 miles , fed averages etc. done that got the tee shirt , but since 2001 I've concentrated on the longer events ,so what I don't like inland nationals that's my prerogative , you guys just do what u want and get on way it I'm Fkn done with this thread , ps next time your in my company introduce yersel . Thanx

Maybe a daft question rab but who flys over 500 miles from inland races ? I've looked at the last few Eastbourne results and the only one that ones close is a guy from Macduff. 491 miles and he was well up in the result .i posted on another thread that due to the boys further north I think Huntingdon would do for an inland race. , I would call it the inland derby. Instead of national , as the INFC. Have a race in there program call a derby ? Would give the guys further north a better / fairer race about 360 /400 miles I would think

That's a brilliant gesture from a true gent well done andy Murray . Ps I neve watched the other match as I had to let the youngsters out .

Are u sure , I never heard him saying that in his interview Steven , what I made of it was all the money raised from the exhibition match would go to it ?

Doesn't other me how much it is a bird , I think us in Scotland have got away with it for years with low birdage fees , fk it costs £ 6 or a return on the bus 20 /30 miles , think £10 / bird would cover all costs but think that some fanciers would cut their teams by a bird or two , or put less in pools .

I would not belittle anyone who wins a national diploma ,be it inland or overseas , it's just a different level of competition , and as u say chris the buzz u get timing out of France/Belgium. Fk me you've still got a wee grin for weeks after it .

Think its just your luck if your fancied pigeon is in a batch that's attacked and is either taken or gets injured in the process , yes I agree that's the bop situation is beyond saturation levels now I would love to follow a batch of pigeons from say 300 miles and witness how many strikes they take on way home , I bet its in double figures easy

Well for me 300 miles or so is middle distance and Feds did and still should cover these races and let the real nationals flourish , the snfc was founded to promote distance racing from the continent end of , these inland races are a waste of time ,money making that's all this is my opinion , not archaic jmo .

Good luck jock , yer right but I'm afraid pigeon racing has changed for the worse now , back then everyone that sent ,prepared their pigeons to fly that distance ,now , well quite a lot just send to these inland races regardless of condition ,some just send birds that probably couldn't fly 100 miles never mind 300 /400

I'm the same jock ,but the irst inland race is losing pigeons for the real nationals across the water , why are wee losing lots of birds from this race , the second race seems much better for returns , why is this ,IMHO. The first is too far too soon for quite a lot of the convoy ,and good honest pigeons are getting lost because of this/ killed because of this . Using Huntingdon as a. Toss/ stepping stone without the national name is not lowering the standards IMO . Ps the cock I won with yesterday is again off your good cock ( THE ALSTON COCK ). Hes A full brother to Karen's girl . Another class bird from this pair .

I have mentioned Huntingdon too when on both the snfc and snrpc committees. And more or less got laughed at , u got to remember the guys up north it would still be nearly 400 miles to them , the south well there always going to fly less unless we start to fly north road expletive remove . Huntingdon fir the first inland derby next year if there's one . Get rid of the national status for these races national to me is over the water .