in reply tammy in my threads when i had a bird missing i allso posted when said bird got back next day or the following day m8 and i agree there are other factors at play here weather clashing and bop and rubbish birds sent in poor condition but thats not just what is going missing good birds well looked after by good fanciers are going down and not getting home that tells me something is wrong as i have said before there homing pigeons even with all the elements the biggest majority should get home and thats not happening the birds have not all suddenly got stupid somethings working on them and it passes from member to member club to club fed to fed right to national level and it will never stop as long as fanciers vacinnate at different times because thats the cause as for the proof of this or that coments as well as getting them home isnt everything what a silly thing to say if you cant get them home you cant race them and also tells me people dont believe what im telling them at the end of the day i dont have a problem with lossing birds they do so just let them keep ploding along believing its this or that ive told you all the truth at all times and given a good explenation to the best of my abillty spelling to give the fancy an insight to whats happening to our birds who else is coming up with anything usefull let them keep taking advice from the monney grabing vets and herbal s t there getting ripped off with that does no good im a working class fancier trying to help working class fanciers but my word is not good enough it seems so f k them all im not selling and im not telling any one but friends i was only offerd 500 pounds from the company anyway but after listning to you guys it aint worth the hassle got a check in the post for a wee investment i made a long time ago so that will keep me going till something turns up so good luck to you all and i really hope you dont lose to many ive had enough