how far did you train them john as mine where going brilliant untill a toss at laurencekirk on thursday 6 on the day oot of 36 and 6 more the following morning and thats all i,ve seen my mate by the secound day has 20 oot of his 50 and i know of another fancier who tossed 44 at stonehaven thursday and had only seen 6 by friday night seems to be something stopping them but what :(