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Makes sense to get a young partner and show them the ropes but as we all know most aren't interested in birds with feathers , and not everyone gets the pigeon mags , can't he get a partnership with a club mate ???? make more sense using local paper than pigeon mags

Seem to have good taste in pigeons they should do well for ya

A Sputnik type trap is ideal to get your young birds looking out so can see there surroundings , then much easier when coming to let them out , my advise would be to leave loft door open fer last hour on a night less chance of bop attacks and birds will explore and wander and will be easier to get in as dusk approaches . As for strains don't worry about them , two types of pigeons good uns and bad uns , however it all depends what your racing goals are . I would of advised to get some sprint based birds , and raced these for a few years to get an idea how to go on . All the best for racing

put an elastic band around his legs ensuring he can walk about and can be mobile , if he can't spread his legs he can't fight so will calm down , however you can use these type of loft situations to your advantage and use it to motivate the old cock

No problem , glad your pleased with them let me know how they get on

i'd look in loft fer a broody hen

well i'm sure if any good he'll go back if not he'll look elsewhere

no its checking its reflection :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:

should of watch there kit perform before buying

only one way to tell that's fly them

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Your welcome thought you'd like the other 2

Had it with natural young birds last year fell to bits before training grrrrrrrrrrrrr

how old are the effected birds ???? have you ensured there getting food and water ??? what are you feeding them ???

As a lad i used to frequent Green Lane allotment in Acomb in York , an old girlfriends father had an allotment there , so i used to go along and there were a few gents with birmingham rollers , every now and again i would be given one unfortunately the allotments are no longer there and made way for new housing , but i spent many hours at the old allotments watching these birds flying high and rolling , I've always had a soft spot for rollers The Cats of Freebird are in Scotland , as said these would be my choice in the current bop climate , beautiful birds loads of colours , and better still great little performers that fly

blinking of eyes is usually lack of water , as for the foaming never seen it or heard of it better to get them checked out by a vet than guessing , as for treating as long as approved by a vet that's fine , but if treating healthy birds for ailments they don't have your going to have birds of a weak constitution , then when ailments do arise you'l find the over use of drugs in the past will give you a double blow because they wont be as effective as the flocks strains of diseases would become resistant , not had one young bird go back , i have also not treated a bird prior to breeding , if there not ailing they don't need treating , there can be a number of factors why your ybs have failed , but the ybs get there immunity from there parents if these are striped of there natural immunity , there's not much chance of producing healthy ybs

I quite like beetroot , but only thing turned red would be my tongue , as to say im fooled im certainly not as Jam suggested go ask the lads on the falcons sites how they worm there birds perhaps these are lying as well :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle: , I'm certainly not trying to down folks from doing there bit to protect there birds i'm just trying to ensure these bops arent fed a seasoned diet that's going to help there numbers , like Jam has already stated he's provided bops drinking , you've stated bops can secrete large salt amounts so the salt lard things out of the window the wormer used by falconers so I'll bow out of this as i already know credible ways the ways you suggested other than the glass tank doesn't work and i cant believe you can say one thing and contradict it with your own post somewhat looks more than foolish and uncredible

Welcome top Pigeon Basics well done on your first post you might want to consider these in our current bop climate : http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/40348-catalonian-tumblers/page__p__644823__fromsearch__1entry644823

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chipboard makes good boxes thats all i use 3/4 chipboard i dont even cut it i take my measurements down to wood yard and let them do it then all i do is assemble

In birds that regularly eat a diet high in salt or drink salt solutions, the nasal glands increase in size. The only land birds with active nasal glands are some desert species such as the ostrich, and many birds of prey. I've seen a few ways that work for bops , i'll stick to what i know , as the bit above in your own words you've included bops , JAM has shown wild bops drinking so can discount that as well , as for using wormer on birds brilliant idea everyone that decides to use this will help bops to be without worms , as these bop men use them to worm there own birds :emoticon-0179-headbang: :emoticon-0179-headbang:

this post suggests bops can cope with large amounts of salt as you state ???, so where's the use of larding and salting birds ?????

I wouldn't want to drink it that's for certain , i always keep a bottle in shed to fill car up But i'm sure RSPCA are on ball if cats got hold of this on there mouses they catch could be lethal or otherwise such cases wouldn't arise

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Andrew .............. i'll have a look http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/user/4298-andrew-gooch/ im sure it was Andrew Gooch