fanciers that claim to know what causing the losses but won't share the knowledge of how to stop it and then come on blaming fellow fanciers for losses - it is plenty to do with BOP, some down to atmospherics and weather, some down to poor prep and a little down to off - colour birds no doubt - if birds are going into baskets ill then it should be weeded out at club level but if until those "in the know" share what they know that would stop any birds being ill....then fanciers will continue to unknowingly put birds through with different levels of health?