just ask me

with only 590 birds left it looks like i think from over 1200 and some of the biggest names having 5 or more birds there and there wiped out there rumors that this race is at its end

the first 50 these could change lads Holland cleaned up 1 Comb.BOOGAARD-V.BUURE N-AMSTERDAM 1237632 2 04.5947 1594.89 2 KUYT A N-KATWIJK A 1211820 2 05.2156 1536.02 3 VAN DIJK A N-HONSELERS 1190028 2 05.0253 1533.54 4 Comb. ZWAAN N-RIJNSBURG 1211370 2 05.2944 1520.42 5 REEDIJK - JONGEKRIJG N-PUTTERSHO 1169481 2 05.0435 1507.06 6 BRUGEMANN GEBROEDERS N-ASSENDELF 1246683 2 06.0404 1500.10 7 DE JONG A N-BLARICUM 1230240 2 06.0946 1470.23 8 Comb.KLESSENS-DELEPPE N-VALKENSWA 1134008 2 05.1056 1457.72 9 BATENBURG - V.D.MERWE N-KLAASWAAL 1163610 2 05.3704 1447.16 10 CORSTJENS JAN N-THORN 1120073 2 04.4050 1443.39 11 VAN DOORN GEBROEDERS N-SOMEREN 1138871 2 05.2250 1441.91 12 SCHULTS A N-BRUINISSE 1149377 2 05.3623 1430.67 13 VAN ESSEN PETER N-WOUDRICHE 1176442 2 06.0211 1418.80 14 THEEUWEN - JACOBS N-WANSSUM 1164306 2 05.5742 1411.79 15 VAN HOUTEN J N-IJSSELSTE 1199988 2 06.2512 1408.11 16 VERBRUGGEN WILLY LONDERZEEL 1081077 2 05.02 1393.14 17 MUDDE WIM N-SLIEDRECH 1174990 2 06.2325 1381.66 18 MANDERS JO N-DEURNE 1150732 2 06.0615 1381.02 19 DE GRAAF C N-EETHEN 1168225 2 06.1905 1380.74 20 VAN GROOTEL STEFAN N-HELMOND 1146678 2 06.0337 1380.51 21 HEINEN JURGEN D-KIRCHOVEN 1114597 2 05.4220 1377.18 22 VAN DER WAART L N-BOXMEER 1172972 2 06.2558 1375.17 23 JONGEN HUBERT N-KERKRADE 1092167 2 05.2820 1373.22 24 HERBOTS LUC ZEPPEREN 1074260 2 05.1519 1373.18 25 HOPPENBROUWERS GUY ESSEN 1130196 2 05.57 1371.60 26 VAN GROOTEL STEFAN N-HELMOND 2 2 06.1513 1361.50 27 STRUYF FRANCOIS ZANDVLIET 1118434 2 05.55 1360.63 28 DE WINTER PETER ZOTTEGEM 1059546 2 05.12 1360.14 29 MEIRLAEN ETIENNE DEURLE 1071424 2 05.24 1354.52 30 MUDDE - HERPST N-KRIMPEN A 1182123 2 06.4608 1353.89 31 WALDACK LUC NEDERENAME 1058070 2 05.15 1353.03 32 OPDIEN D N-RIJEN 1151548 2 06.2428 1352.43 33 VAN HET HOOFD ALBERT N-PERNIS 1177577 2 06.4501 1350.41 34 STEVENS RIK N-REUVER 1137902 2 06.1600 1349.82 35 STEVELMANS N N-BRUNSSUM 1100134 2 05.4937 1347.19 36 VERBAAL W. N-VALKENSWA 1134025 2 06.1551 1345.46 37 S.G. WILDEN - LUTZ D-AACHEN 1078903 2 05.36 1343.59 38 VAN DEN BOOGAART LUUD N-BAKEL 1154296 2 06.3236 1342.83 39 SAARLOOS ARIE & ZOON N-KLAASWAAL 1165376 2 06.4759 1331.88 40 OFFERMANN MARIO D-AACHEN 1077898 2 05.43 1330.74 41 BALLMANN DIETER AMEL 1039071 2 05.15 1328.74 42 RUYS BROER N-GEFFEN 1174994 2 06.5858 1326.23 43 LEHNEN GABY D-HEINSBERG 1114587 2 06.154 1322.69 44 WIELS LUC ROOSDAAL 1057761 2 05.33 1322.20 45 Mevr. VAN DER WEGEN L N-STEENBERG 1143548 2 06.4244 1314.83 46 GEUSENS JEAN MEEUWEN 1104406 2 06.1347 1313.54 47 DAENEN J N-MAASTRICH 1082740 2 05.5959 1309.26 48 VERSTRAETEN LUDO N-ECHT 1112852 2 06.2512 1305.86 49 BUELENS LIEVEN SCHERPENHEU 1083834 2 06.03 1305.82 50 VERMAAS RINI N-ST. PHILI 1147293 2 06.5138 1305.77

have to say 19 years old would be a new one for me

any pics

hope you get it mate

he stands good and proud that for sure :emoticon-0137-clapping:

can u break this down by country as be interesting to know the numbers

best of luck to all involved will be a tough race for anyone flying into the uk im guessing about 12 on Saturday first bird clocked good birds win in most places ive no doubt they could win up in Scotland birds flying from lerwick or thruso into the south of ireland have a tough trip ive i would imagine these birds would fly well in scotland

hope you get a bit of luck

can i come have a good time :emoticon-0137-clapping:

the charcoal worked for everyone i told to try they were amazed and only about £4 for a box of a 100

if its youngbird sickness mate get charcoal tabs they do the trick every time starve them for 24hrs then give them a charcoal tablet then give them a quarter of a ounce of barley in the morning same that eve and same day after you will see them coming back to them selves

delighted for ya hope all is well :emoticon-0137-clapping:

could be anything mate really could separate get test done jmo

good point

i agree am also of the belief that the real smart ones sometimes catch on to the system to fast so stop racing

all depends on the toughness of the race wind in face etc we have all in seen some right tough races from 200 mile or less even so i think it more depends on the hardship but i feel very few birds are out and out racers at even 3 years old

i like the look of him

dont leave oldyellow see that red hes a cracker

thanks for taking care of the pigeon :emoticon-0137-clapping:

use your imagination a little if the birds were just taken and dropped into today's world

would the big difference if there is one be in the techniques used from years back in other wards would the birds be as quick with the modern techniques or has both moved on

this question was on another thread ive started another thread as i think its a great question :emoticon-0137-clapping:

what a great question should be a thread to its self if you wish i can split the question

only right i just hope there not playing some sort of game to get out of owning up to what they done