funilly enough derek i have hardly bred aff a doo that isnae aff doos that have been tested and i have 10 yb's in or nearly oot the nest the noo " from the cock i timed in ypres paired to the mother of the doo i timed in tours a pair o belters they are and i gave john quinn the last pair of them and they have all been singled reared i also have a pair in the nest aff teh hen i timed fae tours paired to her half brother same mother but his father was a g/s of 2nd open tours also a young cock in the nest off a son of john quinns section winner fae ypres paired to a g/d staurt mullans national winner when her son was paired to a daughter of dennis dalls gold award hen so yes derek we are breeding aff sh** so if they are what you call sh** i will glady take more of them anytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 chees Alan