early morning first light training is a great way of training , and as Wiley said the hawks still not moved , so clean run. Can only be good right late night training is a good way of getting pigeons not to fear dusk, and maybe keep going that bit longer, so can also help clock late at night , only can be good right and when the pigeon flies till it cant see , it perches up , then at 1st light , bang on loft ...early timer think its all good...good post atb Mick