Y/b's Sickness Started

[Roland]

Would I be wrong to presume that some "fanciers" blind treat their Birds with Baytril etc, before pairing up ?. The result being the young are bred with no immune system nor immunity being passed on in the parent birds milk. Now that is ok as long as the youngsters are not mixing with others and in a separate section BUT once mixed either in training or race panniers with others.. BANG..You have just pulled the loaded gun's trigger. OMO..

 

Yep, a very large %cent. Like wise Para Stop / Para kill an pre ANTI Salmonella WHATEVER that is. etc. etc. MANY. MANY lofts do this EVERY season, NO TWO ways about that!

P.s I don't. But have many told me too. Yes big Fancier to boot at that. Indeed some even advertise that they have done it to induce some one to buy!

[Roland]

Had hoped to get a lot more responses to this question, especially fae guys getting it every year.

 

Lol you can live in hope there then John ... too busy insinuating that any one who doesn't get it is a liar.

[Roland]

As for Geoff Cooper etc. I know that's true. Also J. Peters' and a few others said same at a moot I was at.

 

You know, like I said before 'Just why would any company / concern want to fins a cure? Fancier and buying stacks willy - nilly and giving their' products massive sales. Any thing and every thing it looks like.

[just ask me]

Really is young bird sickness a major problem? The 15-16 years experience of it, after the illness the young birds always hit a major form and continued that way to the season end?

 

I've found exactly the same

[Guest IB]

Really is young bird sickness a major problem? The 15-16 years experience of it, after the illness the young birds always hit a major form and continued that way to the season end?

 

Yes, I think that there is a major problem here. Its become much like all these losses in training and racing that are happening every year without fail with no-one doing anything to find out what is causing it (plenty theories though), its now a case of being told and accepting 'shrug your shoulders', breed lots more than you need, and accept it is a part of the game? Is it?

 

YBS (whatever that is, aye dead scientific, it's the equivalent of using the 1950/1960s term 'going light' in 2016) stops a lot of fanciers from racing their young birds every year, and every year the Feds lose money, your money, because of it. Why spend time and money on carefully selecting your birds, your pairings, and rearing and training your youngsters, only to sit out the young bird racing?

[Wiley]

Yes, I think that there is a major problem here. Its become much like all these losses in training and racing that are happening every year without fail with no-one doing anything to find out what is causing it (plenty theories though), its now a case of being told and accepting 'shrug your shoulders', breed lots more than you need, and accept it is a part of the game? Is it?

 

YBS (whatever that is, aye dead scientific, it's the equivalent of using the 1950/1960s term 'going light' in 2016) stops a lot of fanciers from racing their young birds every year, and every year the Feds lose money, your money, because of it. Why spend time and money on carefully selecting your birds, your pairings, and rearing and training your youngsters, only to sit out the young bird racing?

 

If you are sitting out more then 7 days IB, in my opinion the lofts you are reffering to sitting out the young bird programme, have a different ailment then the adeno virus

[Guest IB]

If you are sitting out more then 7 days IB, in my opinion the lofts you are reffering to sitting out the young bird programme, have a different ailment then the adeno virus

 

These lofts can miss most of the YB program. Your answer also illustrates what I am getting at. YBS you infer 'the cause' as adenovirus. I would answer circovirus which attacks and destroys part of the youngsters immune system. Viruses can break down into 'particles' in the body, flare up again in the adult, and be passed on to the next generation. IMO that sounds very much like what is happening. But like most, I don't really know. That's what I think.

[Roland]

Losses!

I believe, and it is just mine thoughts as it would upset many, too many if true.

A. incest breeding hammers both the homing ability and the birds constitution. Seems the realism of Incest to breed, out cross to race is taboo and forgotten now. No incest bird is bred to race, only the outcross birds.

Then fed a staple of light feeds, carbs etc. doesn't allow the bird to have any back up when needed and they go down. They need staple beans a / pulses etc. I believe. Too much emphasise on winning and Must send I fear also takes it toll.

How long does one think that carbs stay in the system when raced?

As for the claims of y/b sickness I don't know much about that, but think a lot of lame crutches like the B.O.P. is laid unnecessary at it's door. From what I gather, they can and do get over it quite quickly and go on to race, win , well.

[Valiant Fifer]

A good old fashioned common sense post there m8. A lot of truth in it.

[Novice]

I have just read an article on the MSN home page. Obviously it is human related but it does state that sufficient protein is essential to maintain a strong immune system.

Perhaps Roland has a very valid point.