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Posted

My thoughts on trying to improving our liberations and racing we need to get our house in order before throwing stones at others

 

Would a specialist weather / meteorologist help and where do we get one interested in pigeons?

 

How do we help race controllers?

 

Should we have a training course for them? Would it help?

 

Where do we get an honest and realistically priced person to fight our case with BOP (we need a great team of dedicated honest people)

 

Can one team work properly for England / Scotland / Wales / Ireland

 

Are our method of committees correct or do they just work for there own interests?

 

Are our officials intelligent enough for the job?

 

Are our conditions on board transporters correct ie temperatures / air flow / light / ventilation / feeding / watering

 

Are our numbers in crates correct? Most transporter run 60% empty so will giving birds slightly more room help?

 

Are birds given enough time to recover from the journey to the race point? Or otherwise

 

Are race programs for youngsters correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Are race programs for Old birds correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Should we insist on all youngsters having a training toss or 2 from the transporter before racing with an overnight stop so they can learn how to drink from the vehicle?

 

Are we as fanciers failing in our duty to basket train our youngsters properly?

 

Are we observant enough as to birds being put into race panniers Ill or in poor condition?

 

I have observed an increase of Quill mite and Lice on birds is this a problem? i.e. are fanciers treating there birds correctly?

 

Are we as pigeon fanciers aware of the condition of our birds should we run training classes maybe with a vet on how to look after our birds

Posted

My thoughts on trying to improving our liberations and racing we need to get our house in order before throwing stones at others

 

Would a specialist weather / meteorologist help and where do we get one interested in pigeons?

 

How do we help race controllers?

 

Should we have a training course for them? Would it help?

 

Where do we get an honest and realistically priced person to fight our case with BOP (we need a great team of dedicated honest people)

 

Can one team work properly for England / Scotland / Wales / Ireland

 

Are our method of committees correct or do they just work for there own interests?

 

Are our officials intelligent enough for the job?

 

Are our conditions on board transporters correct ie temperatures / air flow / light / ventilation / feeding / watering

 

Are our numbers in crates correct? Most transporter run 60% empty so will giving birds slightly more room help?

 

Are birds given enough time to recover from the journey to the race point? Or otherwise

 

Are race programs for youngsters correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Are race programs for Old birds correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Should we insist on all youngsters having a training toss or 2 from the transporter before racing with an overnight stop so they can learn how to drink from the vehicle?

 

Are we as fanciers failing in our duty to basket train our youngsters properly?

 

Are we observant enough as to birds being put into race panniers Ill or in poor condition?

 

I have observed an increase of Quill mite and Lice on birds is this a problem? i.e. are fanciers treating there birds correctly?

 

Are we as pigeon fanciers aware of the condition of our birds should we run training classes maybe with a vet on how to look after our birds

 

All would help and improve the birds health and fitness but I don't think PERCY minds if the bird has mites or gose to training class he still taste the same :animatedpigeons:

Posted

All would help and improve the birds health and fitness but I don't think PERCY minds if the bird has mites or gose to training class he still taste the same :animatedpigeons:

spot on oor wull but they dont touch streeters much but on saying that there wee fly bassas and no much eatin on them racers are normally prime meat way no much wrong but no that clever at avoidance as thats not there main priority its going fae a to b as quick as poss .

Posted

Going by the 2 replies so far we have no hope in resolving the problems

 

I recon some 10,000 birds or more are missing in Scotland last weekend

hope BOP have big larders

 

No hope of anyone looking in a mirror

 

Serious issues not being addressed just passing the buck

 

Oh dear

Posted

Going by the 2 replies so far we have no hope in resolving the problems

 

I recon some 10,000 birds or more are missing in Scotland last weekend

hope BOP have big larders

 

No hope of anyone looking in a mirror

 

Serious issues not being addressed just passing the buck

 

Oh dear

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Racing needs looked at top to bottom, those who run our once great sport needs to take a long hard look. in the mean time individuals must act by not racing young birds.how long has this madness to go on before we see it is counter productive and pointless.

Posted

Ian I think your post has too much meat on it for general discussion. I think there will be so many points of view that it will be difficult to draw conclusions.

 

It may be better to break it into smaller more specific areas.

 

I do know that the met office will give you a more specialised forecast for a small charge. They measure parameters other than those contained in the public report but we need to be able to tell them what parameters are important to us.

Posted

How do you help race controlers ,make sure they have people they can discuss weather and conditions at points on the birds route home ie ,they just make calls on phone,as for training them in my opinion that is an insult to lads that are doing there best ,now i will put another thing into the equation should we have to vaccinate a bird more than once ,and does everyone do it? ,and how many fowk have young bird sickness then put them away to a race to soon .I have not put young birds yet and after Sat i am in two minds 8000+ rings must have been issued in the fed this year there have been 2 races 1000 birds race 1 800 birds race 2 ??

Posted

My thoughts on trying to improving our liberations and racing we need to get our house in order before throwing stones at others

 

Would a specialist weather / meteorologist help and where do we get one interested in pigeons?

 

How do we help race controllers?

 

Should we have a training course for them? Would it help?

 

Where do we get an honest and realistically priced person to fight our case with BOP (we need a great team of dedicated honest people)

 

Can one team work properly for England / Scotland / Wales / Ireland

 

Are our method of committees correct or do they just work for there own interests?

 

Are our officials intelligent enough for the job?

 

Are our conditions on board transporters correct ie temperatures / air flow / light / ventilation / feeding / watering

 

Are our numbers in crates correct? Most transporter run 60% empty so will giving birds slightly more room help?

 

Are birds given enough time to recover from the journey to the race point? Or otherwise

 

Are race programs for youngsters correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Are race programs for Old birds correct or do we play catch up for the Nationals?

 

Should we insist on all youngsters having a training toss or 2 from the transporter before racing with an overnight stop so they can learn how to drink from the vehicle?

 

Are we as fanciers failing in our duty to basket train our youngsters properly?

 

Are we observant enough as to birds being put into race panniers Ill or in poor condition?

 

I have observed an increase of Quill mite and Lice on birds is this a problem? i.e. are fanciers treating there birds correctly?

 

Are we as pigeon fanciers aware of the condition of our birds should we run training classes maybe with a vet on how to look after our birds

Ian you have highlighted some wonderful points

I have a real bee in my bunnit regarding numbers in baskets and a real gripe with only water at the end of baskets

The amount of money we spend caring for our birds properly and then send them to races in Third World Conditions

I have a full size hamper as used on the transporters there are at present 12 yb in awaiting collection ,my wife and I stood for 45 minutes yesterday to see if they would go for a drink once fed ,one pigeon went

We then placed drinkers inside the basket on 3 sides all birds then took a drink

Now put 25 per crate as we are instructed at fed level no matter if they are the best basket trained birds or not they have not a cat in hells chance of getting to the drinker

Basketed at loft say 5 pm on a Friday then maybe a 12 noon lib Saturday thats 19hours then fly home

Have studied video footage and photos of birds being fed and watered most heads through at one time max 7

Others trying to get forward

Gentlemen if we are going to fill crates to capacity water must surely be available on 3 sides for gods sake

It's all right fancy looking transport but the simple things are not being addressed

Posted

Going by the 2 replies so far we have no hope in resolving the problems

 

I recon some 10,000 birds or more are missing in Scotland last weekend

hope BOP have big larders

 

No hope of anyone looking in a mirror

 

Serious issues not being addressed just passing the buck

 

Oh dear

 

I am not putting your points down I think every one of them would reduce loses and that would be a big help but it doesn't take PERCY away from our birds and the big problem it won't slow or stop their numbers rising.

Posted

I am not putting your points down I think every one of them would reduce loses and that would be a big help but it doesn't take PERCY away from our birds and the big problem it won't slow or stop their numbers rising.

 

 

I did address this

 

Quote

 

Where do we get an honest and realistically priced person to fight our case with BOP (we need a great team of dedicated honest people)

 

Can one team work properly for England / Scotland / Wales / Ireland

Posted

Scotland now has its own parliament and 56 of them at Westminster, has anybody tried them, ?????

 

 

Brilliant Archie 56 MPs can we get them on our case has anyone access to them or there e-mails if so lets get sending some it cannot doo any harm if worded right

Posted

its not the birds that the BOP actually catch its the damage they do to the frightened birds who would fly through a brick wall

to escape the BOP? some of them end up hundreds of miles off course ? what chance have these birds of facing back into the wind for another 200 miles you can paint over the cracks what ever way you like, our first line of defence must be to protect our birds from these attacks

then everything else will fall into place

no matter how well you train your birds to drink or eat in the basket if PERCY hits them on route ? and he will again and again and again

what chance have these young birds got of making it home in good time

the answer is NONE

I know we will be talking about this problem until there is no one left in the fancy

this is my reply to the problem please don't take it any other way I am not trying to offend any one on site

regards peter

Posted

its not the birds that the BOP actually catch its the damage they do to the frightened birds who would fly through a brick wall

to escape the BOP? some of them end up hundreds of miles off course ? what chance have these birds of facing back into the wind for another 200 miles you can paint over the cracks what ever way you like, our first line of defence must be to protect our birds from these attacks

then everything else will fall into place

no matter how well you train your birds to drink or eat in the basket if PERCY hits them on route ? and he will again and again and again

what chance have these young birds got of making it home in good time

the answer is NONE

I know we will be talking about this problem until there is no one left in the fancy

this is my reply to the problem please don't take it any other way I am not trying to offend any one on site

regards peter

Peter,I spoke to Doug Mcclarey the fancier and scribe back in the 1990s regarding the terrible problem I was facing he was going to highlight it back then in the pictorial

I stated what was currently my problem would become everyone's problem if not addressed

I was laughed at back then

Don't think the same fanciers are laughing now

Posted

Ian you have highlighted some wonderful points

I have a real bee in my bunnit regarding numbers in baskets and a real gripe with only water at the end of baskets

The amount of money we spend caring for our birds properly and then send them to races in Third World Conditions

I have a full size hamper as used on the transporters there are at present 12 yb in awaiting collection ,my wife and I stood for 45 minutes yesterday to see if they would go for a drink once fed ,one pigeon went

We then placed drinkers inside the basket on 3 sides all birds then took a drink

Now put 25 per crate as we are instructed at fed level no matter if they are the best basket trained birds or not they have not a cat in hells chance of getting to the drinker

Basketed at loft say 5 pm on a Friday then maybe a 12 noon lib Saturday thats 19hours then fly home

Have studied video footage and photos of birds being fed and watered most heads through at one time max 7

Others trying to get forward

Gentlemen if we are going to fill crates to capacity water must surely be available on 3 sides for gods sake

It's all right fancy looking transport but the simple things are not being addressed

Posted

well said I brought this up many times at my old clubs agms but was a lone voice regarding percy I really think we will need to stop racing as we know it for one or two years and let percy eat something else

Posted

its not the birds that the BOP actually catch its the damage they do to the frightened birds who would fly through a brick wall

to escape the BOP? some of them end up hundreds of miles off course ? what chance have these birds of facing back into the wind for another 200 miles you can paint over the cracks what ever way you like, our first line of defence must be to protect our birds from these attacks

then everything else will fall into place

no matter how well you train your birds to drink or eat in the basket if PERCY hits them on route ? and he will again and again and again

what chance have these young birds got of making it home in good time

the answer is NONE

I know we will be talking about this problem until there is no one left in the fancy

this is my reply to the problem please don't take it any other way I am not trying to offend any one on site

regards peter

 

 

 

Not if it illegal nothing illegal will help it fall into place

 

We can see what a couple of seagull have done and even the Prime Minister is looking at it we nee to bring our plight to his attention and ask for his help

Posted

Ian you have highlighted some wonderful points

I have a real bee in my bunnit regarding numbers in baskets and a real gripe with only water at the end of baskets

The amount of money we spend caring for our birds properly and then send them to races in Third World Conditions

I have a full size hamper as used on the transporters there are at present 12 yb in awaiting collection ,my wife and I stood for 45 minutes yesterday to see if they would go for a drink once fed ,one pigeon went

We then placed drinkers inside the basket on 3 sides all birds then took a drink

Now put 25 per crate as we are instructed at fed level no matter if they are the best basket trained birds or not they have not a cat in hells chance of getting to the drinker

Basketed at loft say 5 pm on a Friday then maybe a 12 noon lib Saturday thats 19hours then fly home

Have studied video footage and photos of birds being fed and watered most heads through at one time max 7

Others trying to get forward

Gentlemen if we are going to fill crates to capacity water must surely be available on 3 sides for gods sake

It's all right fancy looking transport but the simple things are not being addressed

 

I did address this one

 

Quote

 

Are our conditions on board transporters correct ie temperatures / air flow / light / ventilation / feeding / watering

 

Are our numbers in crates correct? Most transporter run 60% empty so will giving birds slightly more room help?

 

Are birds given enough time to recover from the journey to the race point? Or otherwise

Posted

Ian you have highlighted some wonderful points

I have a real bee in my bunnit regarding numbers in baskets and a real gripe with only water at the end of baskets

The amount of money we spend caring for our birds properly and then send them to races in Third World Conditions

I have a full size hamper as used on the transporters there are at present 12 yb in awaiting collection ,my wife and I stood for 45 minutes yesterday to see if they would go for a drink once fed ,one pigeon went

We then placed drinkers inside the basket on 3 sides all birds then took a drink

Now put 25 per crate as we are instructed at fed level no matter if they are the best basket trained birds or not they have not a cat in hells chance of getting to the drinker

Basketed at loft say 5 pm on a Friday then maybe a 12 noon lib Saturday thats 19hours then fly home

Have studied video footage and photos of birds being fed and watered most heads through at one time max 7

Others trying to get forward

Gentlemen if we are going to fill crates to capacity water must surely be available on 3 sides for gods sake

It's all right fancy looking transport but the simple things are not being addressed

[/quote .Excellent,agree 100% one of the reasons I don't race ybs.

Posted

Going by the 2 replies so far we have no hope in resolving the problems

 

I recon some 10,000 birds or more are missing in Scotland last weekend

hope BOP have big larders

 

No hope of anyone looking in a mirror

 

Serious issues not being addressed just passing the buck

 

Oh dear

they dont have big larders but there 2 ayrshire north 2 x A B doos and a A V doo been kiking about my garden since yesterday all look pretty mature and in good nik but dont want to go anywhere obviously been chased around thew country . Mick curries dookit full and its no down tae lice . i lost 72 birds of the loft with 2 percy strikes im sure they arnt in a percy larrder and they didnt have lice , they will be kicking aboot gardens buildings and parks all over the uk same as the 10, 000 missing uns.. ill check um for lice when i get them in see if thats why there here looking for lice spray

Posted

Some great points you have brought up Ian but this has been going round in circles for years and still nothing done I am sure the late stan bonnington from

Loanhead met with ministers with save our sport and here we are years later and in a worst state

 

Instead of all the cash we as a sport raise for other charities started to raise cash to help ourselves the charities we help each year might just wonder and come on side with us

Posted

I do understand where you are coming from Ian

but there is no votes in this for the Prime Minister

and he, or no one else, will come to our aid ? end of story so we have 2 choices

lock up our birds and leave the sport

or do something about it ourselves IMO its illegal for a man to stand by and watch his birds been butchered

and do nothing about it

if these BOP were attacking farmers sheep and killing them ??? how long would it take the farmer to protect his flock,

not to long I assure you all, But then Farmers are very well organised

where as we fanciers never pull together and nothing will change until we do just that pull pull together

regards to all

peter

Posted

Not if it illegal nothing illegal will help it fall into place

 

We can see what a couple of seagull have done and even the Prime Minister is looking at it we nee to bring our plight to his attention and ask for his help

nae money in it for him he dont give 2 forks aboot your doos hes seen all the petiotions for last 20 years and iped his ars with them sorry m8 your in cuckoo land thinking they will listen

Posted

drive all the transporters to London and do what the French do and blockade the streets and bring London to a stand still then they might listen to our case

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