ETS

[Guest]

good flying chris what do you mean mike soon as he can  :-/ ???

[Mike Lycett]

Well, i'm sure he'd rather win one in 2006 than in 2010 !

 

[Guest]

what  :-/now you'v lost me  :-/

[big_al]

FORTHVIEW    YOU  V     LOST   ME

[Mike Lycett]

I'm sure Chris would like to win a 3rd 1st Open in the SNFC in 2006.  Tha'ts all I'm saying....... Not sure of his other wins.  At a GUESS I'd say 2004 and 2002?   I know they were Newbury and Falaise...   I think.    

 

Mike

[Guest]

ok just hope its all ur going to say on ets aswell :-/ let us got on with the use of ets in peace

[Mike Lycett]

Forthview

 

I have my views just like everyone else has and I can voice them too.  I don't get offended if people differ from my point of view & you shouldn't do either.   Life's too short & this is only a hobby.  I get wound up by people's attituides too you know, but I don't bite....  

[Chris Little]

Cheers Mike..... well said , nice to see someone on my side   ;D ;D

 

Dandydoo -

 

I have no problems at all whatsoever with the RPRA setup, we have been members of the union for several years, long before the outbreak of political warfare. The Cumbrian Region is very well run by a group of well respected and very able guys, it gave us great pleasure last year when when our champion hen won a RPRA award.

 

What are you jibbering about in calling me a walker, I never walk away from anything, wether it be at home, work or pigeons..... of course I have a CHOICE , we are have been members of the SHU and SNFC for 18 years and have no intentions at all whatsoever of leaving them..... sorry like , give yerself a shake.

 

Forthview -

 

I sincerly hope the SNFC grab the ETS issue by the horns and implement a common sense approach to the system, it will be interesting to see how this will be managed. I do have my reservations as to how this will be achieved....

 

Henrik / Clockman -

 

You tell me to keep the newly formed SNRPC , now why would I do that , cmon give me a reason. What I will say is , the club gave us so much pleasure last season, obviously the highlight was winning the Cholet race with the only bird on the day, this remarkable feat was made all the more astonishing as the hen beat everything flying 100 miles less than her and only a very small handfull beat her flying even less than that. What was quite touching was the number of calls and letters we received from fanciers congratulating us on the win, this included officals from the SNFC.

 

As for creaming your pants about the fact there is only one GOLD CUP race in Scotland, I am well aware of this , calm down dear, we have never missed an SNFC gold cup race and never intend to either......

 

As Mike rightly points out we have also had the good fortune of winning 2 SNFC national races..... 1st Open SNFC Newbury 2002 and 1st Open SNFC Falaise 2004 , this is the ultimate dream come true and fills us all up with immense pride, it is our aim to make it three..... believe me  

 

Chris  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

 

 

[MsPigeon]

T_T said:

Hi Mspigeon,

                   I think " selfish" is a harsh word to use because as you know I'm sure most pigeon fanciers would give their heart away and being against ETS ( as I am ) they are not only worried about the impact it would have on the fancy financially,  they are worried about an unfair advantage should two pigeons from different lofts arrive together one with ETS and one without because I'm sure the ETS system will ALWAYS beat a hand timing system.

Rose said:

Thats what I said T_T i will use it as a motivation for me to still be able to beat anyone with it there very few of my channel races won on decimals so i still think i be able to do it the only advantage i would say someone using ets would have is if you have more than one bird come i wouldnt be able to time my 2nd bird in as quick

Tony C said:

Scenario. The top flyers in my club have ETS, I not to give them an advantage get the system installed. I win a race beating a pensioner by a decimal, he/she cant afford the ETS he/she times in on a conventional clock.

That to me would devalue the win big time, any race I win I want it to be down to merit and merit alone. The pensioner ? he/she has every right to be felt cheated out of a win.

 

To me here lays the problem.

 

Selfish ?

 

Mike said:

What is unacceptable to me is that to have the system in place at your lofts you have to ultimately re-design your loft & i'm not prepared to do that at all.   Our home environment is one of the reasons why our birds race well & I'm not gonna compromise that for anybody - and I'm not talking about expense personally - although I acknowledge it is an issue for many.

 

I want someone to show me how I can fly Open door with ETS and have our birds hit the back of the loft without me having to catch them.   Am I asking for too much?  Hyacinth's system is obviously ok for her & that's fine ..  That's her opinion & she has a right to it - personally (my opinion) I'd leave the sport before my birds came home from a race like that (no disprespect intended Linda)

 

Part of the romance is catching the bird & getting it in the thimble. Every week I bet we al here of "the one that got away".

 

Dandydoo said:

There are a lot of things unfair in the Pigeon world that is .. stall traps ...that gives people at least a 20 second advantage over catching and timing maybe more. There was never a big hoo ha over stall traps ..it is a choice thing

 

Hi All,

You all have very valid points and I respect you all and your points of view. But I still believe as Dandydoo stated "it is a choice thing" and I still feel that everyone should have their choice even if it puts them at a disavantage or an advantage, that is your choice. As far as flying through an open door Mike, without changeing your loft design and if cost is not a problem you could put an attena pad under each nest box of the birds entered in the race. But if catching your birds is part of the thing you like why is catching them and scanning them a problem? You just won't be yanking off the rubber.

Yours in the sport.

Carol

[Mike Lycett]

Carol

 

Surely catching & scanning defeats the principle of ETS though?

 

[MsPigeon]

But it is quicker than rubbers and conventional clock. No?

[MsPigeon]

and so much easier for the race secretary!  ;D

[Mike Lycett]

Dunno.....    Probably would be quicker - at a guess...   Still, we're talking about fundamental changes to loft design & expense & i know plenty that just won;t wanna tolerate it.  Instead of saying "well let them choose" then whty not just keep everybody on an eqyual footing like we are at present. Surely that HAS to be fairest..

 

Mike

[MsPigeon]

Well I can see your mind won't be changed, and that's OK by me. But I can tell you that even the most adamant old time flyers in our club love the ETS now that they have it. So I agree that we disagree.  ;D  

Yours in the sport.

Carol

[dandydoo]

Chris you are walking away from inevitable progress i said there are many things that are considered unfair in the Pigeon world ...stall traps, transporter releases, the more wealthy have the ability to pay big money for what they consider are the best bloodlines bounderies loft position,  syndicate training ... running to the post office in days of old. How many manual Pigeon clocks manufacturers have ceased production and it is getting more difficult to find someone locally to fix and service ..what about people with restricted mobility and who have specific disability. You have your reasons something about not wanting to have to change your system ...so dont buy it/ use it .Its not very often a greater distance or extreme distance race comes down to decimals ...whatever system you are using, as you well know the Bird has to be there.

 

Yes i have shaken eh Chris , yes Mike er Chris er Mike er Chris thanks for your support is this PIPA nooooo Pigeonbasics. You are entitled to your opinion and CHOICE and I would support your right to choose but give the same rights to others who may want the system

[Mike Lycett]

DD - I see where you're coming from - i really do... I just don't really agree that's all....   Still, i'm sure we'll both sleep soundly tonight.

[Chris Little]

Dandydoo

 

Like this site , plenty of good banter , Pipa was getting out of hand....

 

So then , do you use ETS

 

Chris

[Mike Lycett]

To me    To you   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Jock Spark strikes again!

 

 

[Chris Little]

Jock Spark it is   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[MsPigeon]

Chris you are walking away from inevitable progress i said there are many things that are considered unfair in the Pigeon world ...stall traps, transporter releases, the more wealthy have the ability to pay big money for what they consider are the best bloodlines bounderies loft position,  syndicate training ... running to the post office in days of old. How many manual Pigeon clocks manufacturers have ceased production and it is getting more difficult to find someone locally to fix and service ..what about people with restricted mobility and who have specific disability. You have your reasons something about not wanting to have to change your system ...so dont buy it/ use it .Its not very often a greater distance or extreme distance race comes down to decimals ...whatever system you are using, as you well know the Bird has to be there.

I totally agree with you Dandydoo  ;D

But I already have ETS,   I don't have to argue with those against it.  :K) So I'll leave it be.   Your doing a great job by the way.  

 

[Chris Little]

Thing is though , not all progress is good.

 

How can the introduction of ETS be classd as progress when it is pushing people out of the sport....

 

Chris  ;D ;D ;D

[peterpau]

So call me stupid if you want to, but I still don't get it what is wrong with ETS. Since when has it been fair that a pensioner can turn up with three or four, you and me can turn up with 30 or 40. We all know people move house to get the best drop.

I can't see that pigeon racing is more or less fair than any other racing.

I am with Rose on this you gotta get 'em first, and it'll motivate me more too.

[Guest]

Mr. Lycett said

 

<I'd leave the sport before my birds came home from a race like that (no disprespect intended Linda)>

 

I don't see what fault you find with my trapping system, it's worked perfectly well for us for 6 years now, I just cannot see what your getting at regarding leaving the sport if your birds came home like that.  If you care to take the time please check out our Website  take a look at our Starter Loft, which Steve designed and publshed the plans, no one has ever questioned our method of trapping until you did but then again you seem to Questionand knock the stuffing out of everything that is not done YOUR WAY.

 

As for open door trapping ok use choose whichever way suits you best, but personally I would rather have my birds trap through a chute than have to fend a hawk off chasing a returning bird through an open door.

 

 

[Guest]

Rose

  I hope you get the chance sometime to visit a club who is shipping out their birds with ETS.  Perhaps you wouldn't have to rely on the older members who always seem to do the work with clock setting, as some younger computer savvy guy such as Gez could take on the task.  You wouldn't relalise how much easier it is to ship birds. No clocks to set, no race sheet to write out long hand, no messing about with rubbers like writing down the numbers on the race sheet or hunting round for a rubber which has broken in the ringer.  working out the result again is a cinch, just down load the data from the clocks, hit a button and the result is printed out in no time. One person can handle the logistics of shipping and calculating the result.

[Mike Lycett]

Hyacinth.. I just don't like it personally, but if it works for you then fine.  Lets keep the attitude out of it though eh?   I wasn't being sh!tty towards you, it was just an observation where I said no offence was intended