SNFC DEBTORS

[HOMER49]

Hi

Just received Scottish National Flying Club balance report

107  members in debt to the tune of £2782.00

should the SNFC take these members to the small debt court ?

Cheers

Homer 49

 

[sj irving jnr]

i dont know about that homer,but i was speaking to a man the other day that resigned from the snfc and got a balance sheet through?could it be with the change of secretarys?

  where is the price of the car/van on the balance sheet?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Hi

Just received Scottish National Flying Club balance report

107  members in debt to the tune of £2782.00

should the SNFC take these members to the small debt court ?

Cheers

Homer 49

 

EASIER JUST BANNING THEM FROM  SNFC RACING UNTIL THEY PAY

[madmaxlofts]

people who dont pay should be banned thats a lot ov money

how many members owe money?

how much would it cost to take them to the claims court?

would it be worth it?

[dandydoo]

I would guess that these are the people who also left the SHU and joined the alternate National ...because they are not members of SHU cant stay members of the National ....and they wouldnt get their own way so didn't resign and are now debt suspended ...although it dont seem to matter cos they get to fly with the RPRA and have started their own wee National

[Chris Little]

The SNFC ETS rules made interesting reading  : :

[dandydoo]

Aw naw not ETS again if u dont like it dont use but dont try and stop folk from using ...remember that this is what folk wanted (personally not bothered either way) and accepted as an entity and unfortunately you have to go with the majority whether you like it or not I have have been defeated on various proposals and motions but had to accept it and get on with it

[ALF]

The SNFC ETS rules made interesting reading  : :

 

 

Brilliant way to change the subject chris but i think you should have answered the question!!! Or do you not want too??? : : :

[matty]

 

EASIER JUST BANNING THEM FROM  SNFC RACING UNTIL THEY PAY

 

they will be suspended  if not payed by the agm

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I believe this is this case for the last couple of years but by the time the agm comes around most of the outstanding debt will have been paid, remember the balance sheet was made up on the 31st of October.

[GREENGRASS]

I would guess that these are the people who also left the SHU and joined the alternate National ...because they are not members of SHU cant stay members of the National ....and they wouldnt get their own way so didn't resign and are now debt suspended ...although it dont seem to matter cos they get to fly with the RPRA and have started their own wee National

 

if you were talking about last year then maybe but the SNRPC has been going strong for 2 seasons now so i dont think you can point the finger in that direction. i think gareth has the more probable answer in that it is just members late in paying, but will they be allowed to vote at the agm.

[dandydoo]

Yip GG think u r right ...doesnt time pass when ur having fun lol

[dandydoo]

meant to say ...think there is a minority mentality in doo racing where ppl dont want to pay and grumble re price of everything ...we dont pay as much as golg club or tennis club even 5/7 aside pitches are expensive

[Guest]

their is all ways a number of non payers but the nat has a system to sort it out remember some of thease people may have passed away or left the sport and the nat officials know this so they will deal with it  the way they allways have. so as not to upset anyone

[HOMER49]

I believe this is this case for the last couple of years but by the time the agm comes around most of the outstanding debt will have been paid, remember the balance sheet was made up on the 31st of October.

 

Hi Gareth

Have you read the balance sheet ?

This has been outstanding since OCT 2005

carried forward into 2006

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[dandydoo]

Oooh well maybe I was right first time round .....am given up cos i canny even write GOLF its Golg now

[GREENGRASS]

Oooh well maybe I was right first time round .....am given up cos i canny even write GOLF its Golg now

 

 

GOLG racing.........norma where do i join.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

on your first post maybe you were correct, or could it be the snfc did not push it due to the members involved not being members of the shu any longer....if you know what i am saying.

[square_peg]

what really surprises me is the attitude of the fanciers who left the SNFC,some off them took part in the agm,had a say,had a vote, then joined the SNRPC .I dont have a problem with fanciers leaving any organisation,that is there right,but,what would have happened if the vote went their way?

Most of them are genuine people,can they really look in the mirror and say they handled the situation correctley? honourably?more importantly like true sportsman or woman?

[GREENGRASS]

Agree with you there square peg there was a very similar situation in the glasgow fed where the dumbarton club were not happy that the democratic vote, went against them and likewise they took part in the meeting, voted , lost by 92% to 7%( as you can see it was close) then never resigned and never paid fees, but somehow more than eight weeks later appealed to the shu(time barred.... 14 days) and never signed their letter (illegal) an never dated it(illegal) and never adressed it correctly(illegal) never registered it, but somehow the shu upheld the appeal as appearently our fed secetary tampered with the post(an accusation levelled by the shu.....unproven of course as how can you tamper with a letter that is 8 weks late  not signed never sent and not registered). the same club wanted compensation for loosing the vote(their words not mine, the transporter would keep us happy, again their words not mine). so the glasgow fed officals appeared before the appeals commitee and questioned the validity of the appeal only to be told it was valid( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D of course it was as they make the rules as it suits). now dumbarton never resigned so were liable to pay fees, they never did. the members had a choice to have them debt suspended via the rpra or to cut them loose and forget about them and leave them to fly their birds where they wanted, they choose the latter. ( all 9 members of them).

 

so i can see where you are coming from only from a different angle  

[gangster]

im sorry about the shambles up there lads but if they owe the shu money or any club/union ect....the r.p.r.a  should also honour it and not allow them to fly in any alternative set ups....needs to be a bit of co-operation here

[Guest TAMMY_1]

im sorry about the shambles up there lads but if they owe the shu money or any club/union ect....the r.p.r.a  should also honour it and not allow them to fly in any alternative set ups....needs to be a bit of co-operation here

 

agree 100% here gangster , if you are barred from one club or fed or union, you should not be allowed to fly in any and co-operation is needed amongst all the clubs and unions to stop men trying to sneak in the back door to fly birds once they have been barred or suspended from a club for any reason what so ever, and there should be no exceptions

[johno]

i think too many people pass views on subjects they are not well enough informed on. many posts are well meaning but ill informed i feel. the case of the so called debtors of the snfc. would it not make sense to deal with the debtors on a chronilogical basis. i.e attend to the oldest debts first. gareth how you can freely come on here and moralise on people and suggest they look in the mirror bamboozles me. what about all the people who attended the meeting where the split had its origins. people who were puppets of the scottish homing union. people who previously nevr attended snfc meetings but turned out to provide numbers. what about the current shu president and snfc secretary who openly attempted to savage shu rules in a vain attempt at electing a yes man to the shu presidential office around two years ago. the person the shu president and the snfc secretary proposed and seconded was not even a delegate to the shu so was therefoe not in a position to be elected. this they done when being aware of all the facts. the full incident has been well reported and is minuted in the shu minute record. i could go on and on. come on gareth lets be fair and realistic. lets look in our own mirror first and be fair enough to say what we see.

[dandydoo]

Johno ...you clearly are not  the SHU's biggest supporter. I think you may be a bit mis-guided and shall we say less than equitable about how you see this.

 

Firstly, Guys are posting to say any Fancier who walks away from ANY Club Union Federation be it in Scotland or England owing money should HAVE to pay what they owe, irrespective if they change Unions. Wherever you go in life and whatever organised sport you enter you have to pay what you owe

 

Yes we get the message ....the SHU is not your favourite Union.

 

Yes you are a wee bit bamboozled its Archie who is asking people to be honourable and to to look in the Mirror not Gareth

 

Any SNFC member who is paid up is entitled to VOTE at an AGM, and just maybe they TURNED OUT because they didnt want the proposals that were on offer to be accepted. Johno its a fact of life ...sometimes what you want is not what others find acceptable ..but you have to get on with it. Get over it, its gone those that chose to walk away, did so joined the RPRA and started a wee Club in order to continue Channel racing.

 

Question, had the motion not fallen at the SNFC would these people have paid ...YOU BET they would have.

 

Question, I am a believer in democracy (even altho it has worked against me) If there are all these rule breaking going on in the SHU why didn't you stay and try and sort it out ? You dont leave cos your not getting your own way stay and fight to make the changes . You dont change things by sniping from the side lines

 

Finally ...this is a general point ...It is not an organisation that is BAD but the people that run it. When u sit on a Council, management committee or are delegates you are there to further the aims of that organisation and promote the sport. You are NOT there to run down the organisation and serve your own ends either for power for glory or whatever.

 

This was all about ETS ..but its history now just like the introduction of seat belta and the smoking ban. I didn't move down to England so i could still have a cigarette in a Pub  

[johno]

i will watch with interest to see the change. i take on board what you are saying but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. a lot of damage has been done on behalf of the shu by the management committee. i am aware of one family losing their house to pay of lawyers. the officials of the shu went to court and and actively went against this family when there was no need to. the idea that we only want to flle our doos has long gone. i am also aware of some other party being banned for a horrendous time period for writng letters. no one has managed to change these situations from within. unfortunately the shu as an organisation has been swallowed up by the actions of officials running with their own agendas. at the present time it is very difficult to seperate the individuals involved from the organisation. an unfortunate fact of life. a family losing their house is a bit more worrying than the reputation of any pigeon organisation i believe.

[dandydoo]

I agree Johno that is horrendous .... that was my point a Union is there for fanciers not despite or to spite them. I am always wary of folk that want power ....they should never have it. In this time whern Pigeon racing is losing members and under threat by so many other factors ...what we doing imploding and cutting each other to bits ...i believe that people shouldnt be able to take any management committee job without training and understanding what they are there to do