How To Reduce Yb Losses

[Delboy]

I cant believe you two actually think we can avoid BOP???? They are everywhere and im afraid it isn't time to run away from them.

[Guest Owen]

Del Boy

I think that you are right because as you say they are everywhere. However, birds of prey are known to be very intelligent and learn very quickly to recognize pigeon transporters and will patrol an area when they see that pigeons are about to be released. Lyndhurst is a good example of a site that patrolled by falcons that have learned about pigeon liberations and there are other sites just as bad. If we varied the release sites it provides the falcons less opportunities to learn which could give the pigeons the chance to leave the release sites before they are attacked. I think pigeons circling at the release site are far more vulnerable than they are when they are flying in groups on their way home. I believe that pigeons are less vulnerable when they are flying hard and low on their way home. In the area where I live in the Welsh Valleys there are falcons everywhere so pigeons are always at risk of being taken. This is especially true of youngsters when they first take to the air. One of the reasons that I like to fly my pigeons on the Celibate system is that they rarely get targeted by the falcons. I believe the reason for this is because of the way the celibate cocks fly at exercise. They are not like widowhood cocks who split up and soar and clap all across the sky. They fly in a tight bunch at speed which makes it difficult for the falcon to single one out. Birds heading for home will tend to fly in fairly tight groups, a bit like the celibate cocks, and must be less of a target for the falcons. I know one thing for sure, if we continue to do everything in the same way that we always have we can definitely expect the get the same results. Common sense really.

[Guest GAV]

Totally agree with delboy well said m8

[Bobby4]

I cant believe you two actually think we can avoid BOP???? They are everywhere and im afraid it isn't time to run away from them.

the reason they get hit at lib points is not because they know the pigeons are ther .its because they are never too far away so when u lib birds yourself for training is it because theyr watching your car not at all .

[knoxjn]

we fire up rockets whenever possible before liberations to give the birds a chance to get up and mobile but you cant do it everywhere happy to train through the winter with any kind of repellent we have to fight back get these jokers to admit how many there are it must be available on freedom of information

[dwh]

I cant believe you two actually think we can avoid BOP???? They are everywhere and im afraid it isn't time to run away from them.

Got to agree here some of these danger area's are man made.

Do these people study the effect these colony' s have on the racing pigeon

Fraternity simply in a word NO! They set these sites up for the

Falcons benefit and screw anybody else

Then you get pairs migrating into towns and cities etc now you have double

The threat and so it goes on

How many of us race from or over Nottingham? It's bloody five with them and the surrounding areas if these pairs and multiple pairs are territorial then if not already but very soon we are going to solid bands across the UK in more than 1 place leaving nowhere safe to liberate from and Owen how easy is it to locate new and decent lib. Site's it's hard enough holding onto the old Jones

I've said this before till the stories.become a problem to the money men

And severely affect there pockets fek all will be done

[eastcoaster]

We are doing the same this year that we done last year talking about it , I have asked on here many times what it is we use to sort the problem but I still have not been told how or where to get it , so until someone has the balls to give us the information we requir what is the point . And back pain treatment does not work .

[Delboy]

We are doing the same this year that we done last year talking about it , I have asked on here many times what it is we use to sort the problem but I still have not been told how or where to get it , so until someone has the balls to give us the information we requir what is the point . And back pain treatment does not work .

 

Colin, how can anyone put info on an open forum ?? Go back to my first post on this topic lads,

 

 

2. BOP, they scare the living crap out our poor ybs and cause devastation when they strike. I differ from most and do not believe we have to learn to live with this massive problem. Remedy-I think every single racing pigeon marked in Britain on one specific weekend should have a repellent on their back / neck going to the race. BOP problem sorted in ONLY ONE DAY !!!!!! .

[eastcoaster]

Colin, how can anyone put info on an open forum ?? Go back to my first post on this topic lads,

 

 

2. BOP, they scare the living crap out our poor ybs and cause devastation when they strike. I differ from most and do not believe we have to learn to live with this massive problem. Remedy-I think every single racing pigeon marked in Britain on one specific weekend should have a repellent on their back / neck going to the race. BOP problem sorted in ONLY ONE DAY !!!!!! .

Del

I get what your saying but we hide because they tell us we cannot discuss this matter on open forum I have just watched live pigeons being eaten in a Percy nest how the F. K are they allowed to show that and we are scared to print a protection method to save our birds . S H I T E .

[paddymac]

Point 2 that Derek has posted is the only way we can fight back because no-one is listening to us so we have to come out fighting for ourselves and our pigeons. Totally agree with all you included in your earlier post Del

[Big Davie]

We are doing the same this year that we done last year talking about it , I have asked on here many times what it is we use to sort the problem but I still have not been told how or where to get it , so until someone has the balls to give us the information we requir what is the point . And back pain treatment does not work .

Empty your pm box

[Bobby4]

this is the best post on this site i have read and hope it stays at the top of this page for a time until its done because its the only solution to keep racing our birds spot on derek

[Delboy]

Del Boy

I think that you are right because as you say they are everywhere. However, birds of prey are known to be very intelligent and learn very quickly to recognize pigeon transporters and will patrol an area when they see that pigeons are about to be released. Lyndhurst is a good example of a site that patrolled by falcons that have learned about pigeon liberations and there are other sites just as bad. If we varied the release sites it provides the falcons less opportunities to learn which could give the pigeons the chance to leave the release sites before they are attacked. I think pigeons circling at the release site are far more vulnerable than they are when they are flying in groups on their way home. I believe that pigeons are less vulnerable when they are flying hard and low on their way home. In the area where I live in the Welsh Valleys there are falcons everywhere so pigeons are always at risk of being taken. This is especially true of youngsters when they first take to the air. One of the reasons that I like to fly my pigeons on the Celibate system is that they rarely get targeted by the falcons. I believe the reason for this is because of the way the celibate cocks fly at exercise. They are not like widowhood cocks who split up and soar and clap all across the sky. They fly in a tight bunch at speed which makes it difficult for the falcon to single one out. Birds heading for home will tend to fly in fairly tight groups, a bit like the celibate cocks, and must be less of a target for the falcons. I know one thing for sure, if we continue to do everything in the same way that we always have we can definitely expect the get the same results. Common sense really.

 

 

expletive remove OWEN, What a mental statement!!! Lets all fly celibate and we can forget about BOP is what your saying, hahaha .

[Mixxy]

expletive remove OWEN, What a mental statement!!! Lets all fly celibate and we can forget about BOP is what your saying, hahaha .

 

 

and are you saying you want to totally eradicate BOP so you can race your pigeons hassle free?

[Guest chad3646]

get rid of the lot because they are no use to anyone bar those sadistic bastewards that love to see birds getting ripped apart imo

[Delboy]

and are you saying you want to totally eradicate BOP so you can race your pigeons hassle free?

 

????

[gulkie]

Sort item 2 and racing will improve dramatically for all fanciers, and far more enjoyable The other items we could sort in due course, but for me item 2 needs priority.

The only thing that option 2 will bring is a bigger hatred towards our sport than there is already,

And further more were not the only ones that read these notes,I know that a solution has to be

Found ,but not on open form.

[Mixxy]

get rid of the lot because they are no use to anyone bar those sadistic bastewards that love to see birds getting ripped apart imo

 

Do you ever see the other side of the arguments levelled at pigeon fanciers, or are you like 99% of fanciers that are blinkered to thinking that you have a god given right to race your birds hassle free?

 

Have you ever thought how sadistic pigeon fanciers look that are sending their birds 600 miles for them to fly home, many with no hope? Or how birds that don't come up to standard are disposed off?

 

This sport as a whole should take a big step back and think collectively how it deals with the biggest threats yet to the sport. Huge damage on the PR front has already been self inflicted because of the reasons i quoted above. There are many that are trying to win this argument that quite frankly the saying of those "in glass houses" strictly refers too. Its not ok for a 3rd party (like a hawk or shooter) to decide the fate of my birds, but i can. Is that not hypocritical?

[tyson]

take it your a supporter of the r.s.p.b

[Mixxy]

take it your a supporter of the r.s.p.b

 

Hence why "our" sport will be a gonna within 10 years, if not 5...

[Delboy]

The only thing that option 2 will bring is a bigger hatred towards our sport than there is already,

And further more were not the only ones that read these notes,I know that a solution has to be

Found ,but not on open form.

[/quote

 

 

expletive remove, read no2, it doesn't say anything illegal. It says a repellent!!!

[gulkie]

The only thing that option 2 will bring is a bigger hatred towards our sport than there is already,

And further more were not the only ones that read these notes,I know that a solution has to be

Found ,but not on open form.

[/quote

 

 

expletive remove, read no2, it doesn't say anything illegal. It says a repellent!!!

Derek could you define repellent?

 

The only thing that option 2 will bring is a bigger hatred towards our sport than there is already,

And further more were not the only ones that read these notes,I know that a solution has to be

Found ,but not on open form.

[/quote

 

 

expletive remove, read no2, it doesn't say anything illegal. It says a repellent!!!

Derek could you define repellent?

[Ian McKay]

Definition of repellent

 

 

causing disgust or distaste.

 

synonyms: revolting, repulsive, disgusting, repugnant, sickening, nauseating, stomach-turning, stomach-churning, nauseous, emetic, vile, nasty, foul, appalling, abominable, hideous, horrible, awful, dreadful, terrible, obnoxious, loathsome, offensive, objectionable, off-putting, distasteful, disagreeable, uninviting; abhorrent, despicable, reprehensible, contemptible, odious, heinous, obscene, hateful, execrable; gruesome, grisly; vomitous; informalsick-making, ghastly, putrid, horrid, God-awful, gross, gut-churning, yucky, icky, cringe-making; informalbeastly; literarynoisome; archaicdisgustful, loathly; rarerebarbative

antonyms: delightful, lovely

noun

[Guest GAV]

lol ian hope thats definition enough :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[peter pandy]

I agree with Derek on all points. Point B is the most important. I remember posting on pigeon chat that we should all listen to Bilco as he is a very wise man. He wrote at the time that flying ants were a big problem and we should all go out and get some ant or wasp powder. Wise words but shortly after this his house was raided and his PC confiscated. We have to watch what we say as big brother is watching. Keep up the good fight Delboy.

 

I vaguely remember Bilco writing in one of the weeklies about Ant Powder and its main ingredient PERMETHRIN which also comes in a cream for scabies and human crab infestation obtainable from Boots and any reliable chemist. One bit of warning is that it is deadly in powder or cream form to cats and birds.