Transfers

[Newbie2020]

I am a little confused regarding transfers. I live in Wales and only a member of the WHU. I have purchased some GB rings and the owner has registered them with the RPRA for me. I believe I now require to register them with the WHU to be able to race/show them. If I sell the birds in the future how would I go about transferring them then? Would it be via the WHU transfer forms or would it be the RPRA transfer forms? And would it matter if the purchaser was a welsh union member or a member of the rpra? When they have been registered with the WHU does that then mean the RPRA ceases to have anything to do with those rings? All rather confusing for me.

[pjc]

if in future you require to transfer the birds with GB rings you use a RPRA transfer.

If you race with a WHU affiliated club or National then the birds need to be registered with the WHPU but would still be transfered through RPRA.

The reason is purely for varification purposes.

 

Phil

[hotrod]

why is it the SHU wont transfer SU rung birds to your name if your not a member of the SHU .ie a n/a number (non affiliated)

[hotrod]

i forgot to mention that the SHU keep the £1.50 but send back the transfer saying they wont transfer as your not a member,IS THIS THEFT?

[pigeonpete]

i forgot to mention that the SHU keep the £1.50 but send back the transfer saying they wont transfer as your not a member,IS THIS THEFT?

 

sounds a bit dodgy to me, what a stupid system!

[Guest numpty01]

I am a little confused regarding transfers. I live in Wales and only a member of the WHU. I have purchased some GB rings and the owner has registered them with the RPRA for me. I believe I now require to register them with the WHU to be able to race/show them. If I sell the birds in the future how would I go about transferring them then? Would it be via the WHU transfer forms or would it be the RPRA transfer forms? And would it matter if the purchaser was a welsh union member or a member of the rpra? When they have been registered with the WHU does that then mean the RPRA ceases to have anything to do with those rings? All rather confusing for me.

the reason for the charge by the whu to reg the rings of the rpra is because not enough rings were being sold by whu at the time the whu will not notefie you of rpra lost bird as they hold no record i beleave of birds from rpra now im sure i will get corrected if im wrong but how the whu can say the rpra rings are foriegn baffles me as this is gb and in my view is out order  but if you want fly in welsh races.s under whu rules you have to pay it lets hope the rpra dont decide the welsh are forighn rings or the cost will be astronomical for us

 

 

[Guest IB]

i forgot to mention that the SHU keep the £1.50 but send back the transfer saying they wont transfer as your not a member,IS THIS THEFT?

 

Don't know about theft, but it certainly isn't legal. Even 'Natural justice' dictates you cannot be charged for a service you did not receive. The principle on which it was refused is also absurd; I have had GB (and WHU?) rings transferred to me. I am not a member of either Union, nor would I expect a need for it in order to transfer.

[pjc]

the reason for the charge by the whu to reg the rings of the rpra is because not enough rings were being sold by whu at the time the whu will not notefie you of rpra lost bird as they hold no record i beleave of birds from rpra now im sure i will get corrected if im wrong but how the whu can say the rpra rings are foriegn baffles me as this is gb and in my view is out order  but if you want fly in welsh races.s under whu rules you have to pay it lets hope the rpra dont decide the welsh are forighn rings or the cost will be astronomical for us

 

 

It is a stupid rule and members have lost out on positions but until somebody changes the rule we're stuck with it.

 

 

[allenyeates]

Surely  the RPRA would hold a record of who now owns the rings and any future transfers should be through them. When I made enquires through the RPRA about WHU & NWHU  pigeons i wanted to transfer they told me as long as they are registered with the appropriate unions I did not need to register the transfer with them as well.

[pjc]

Surely  the RPRA would hold a record of who now owns the rings and any future transfers should be through them. When I made enquires through the RPRA about WHU & NWHU  pigeons i wanted to transfer they told me as long as they are registered with the appropriate unions I did not need to register the transfer with them as well.

 

that is correct as far as the RPRA are concerned but the WHU state that non WHU rings must be registered with them as foreign rings to compete in races/shows held under the WHU rules.

[allenyeates]

Thank you   pjc

[Guest numpty01]

i think most of commitee that put this through are no longer comitee members so i wonder what would happen if motion to remove it would bring ?? as in logical sense it is a form of discrimination against the english rings as wales is gb just the same as rest of country    gail????????? i never wrote this my finger did honest ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[hotrod]

 

Don't know about theft, but it certainly isn't legal. Even 'Natural justice' dictates you cannot be charged for a service you did not receive. The principle on which it was refused is also absurd; I have had GB (and WHU?) rings transferred to me. I am not a member of either Union, nor would I expect a need for it in order to transfer.

ian they done it to me last year they did not transfer a bird and kept my £1:50 and done it to my mate only last week ,i put a thread about his dealings with the SHU ,they first of all would not transfer a bird then they will not register his 09  rings

,they kept his cheque and cashed it ,but refused to transfer it as he is not a member of the SHU. so I'LL ASK again are they breaking the LAW?AND HOW DOES THE ORDINARY SHU FANCIER FEEL ABOUT THIS?

 

[joe61]

its fraud get the police round to the treasures house and do him for fraud

 

oh happy days

[hotrod]

its fraud get the police round to the treasures house and do him for fraud

 

oh happy days

maybe someone should joe ,only i wont do it ,but the responce from ordinary decent SHU fanciers on this site just sums it up ,brush it under the carpet stuff , and they are supposed to be fair and decent ,there just as bad as the office bearers ,it doesnt surprise me , makes you want to pack it all in .

 

 

[Babybird]

probably get round it by saying thay are charging the £1.50 for administartion charges

[hotrod]

probably get round it by saying thay are charging the £1.50 for administartion charges

thanx for the responce babybird at least someone out there has an opinion .and yes that is what they are saying but this is wrong dont you think?

 

 

[kirky]

why is it the SHU wont transfer SU rung birds to your name if your not a member of the SHU .ie a n/a number (non affiliated)

yet thay will transfer them to us in england & we are not members,

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

i was thinking on the £1.50 been kept as administration charges as they have only opened a letter surely they cant charge a fee for this as no transfer has been made but like kirky says we can transfer them and we're not shu members nor would we had to be to race scotish birds , so its certainly a case of double standards , to be honest what i term the Scotish problem the two nationals , i cant see why members just dont join both unions cos neither of the unions seem to be getting it right , the .R.P.R.A are supposed to be there for the fancier , with most of my dealing with R.P.R.A there fine with rings and distances cant fault them but legalitys of sales ectra they dont want to know and let a few crooks get away with it Join both unions sod the polotics and fly your birds besides saves all the further agravation as when we say it cant be legal what there doing to the fancier , and the fancier doesnt want to take union to court or be branded as a trouble maker   some rules are arcaic and need changing and the only sure way is to change is from within , so don't be pointing the finger from the outsude be a doer from the inside pigeon fanciers have enough problems from preditors with falling out for what would be a few ££'s a year  

[Babybird]

thanx for the responce babybird at least someone out there has an opinion .and yes that is what they are saying but this is wrong dont you think?

 

 

yep, they should get themselves sorted out...pen pushers!

[hotrod]

i was thinking on the £1.50 been kept as administration charges as they have only opened a letter surely they cant charge a fee for this as no transfer has been made but like kirky says we can transfer them and we're not shu members nor would we had to be to race scotish birds , so its certainly a case of double standards , to be honest what i term the Scotish problem the two nationals , i cant see why members just dont join both unions cos neither of the unions seem to be getting it right , the .R.P.R.A are supposed to be there for the fancier , with most of my dealing with R.P.R.A there fine with rings and distances cant fault them but legalitys of sales ectra they dont want to know and let a few crooks get away with it Join both unions sod the polotics and fly your birds besides saves all the further agravation as when we say it cant be legal what there doing to the fancier , and the fancier doesnt want to take union to court or be branded as a trouble maker   some rules are arcaic and need changing and the only sure way is to change is from within , so don't be pointing the finger from the outsude be a doer from the inside pigeon fanciers have enough problems from preditors with falling out for what would be a few ££'s a year  

this problem is because a 3/4 hundred fanciers left the shu and joined the rpra as they were not happy with the way the shu was being run ,my mate big murdo was a member of the shu till this year ,there was a lot of politcal fighting in his club/fed so he joined my club/fed  an rpra one and resigned from his shu club ,so the shu is taking the hump and playing funny beggers with the members that leave ,WHY SHOULD I OR ANYONE ELSE PAY A FEE TO A UNION THAT TREATS FANCIERS THIS WAY? PS THIS FANCIER MR JOHN MURDOCH IS NOT ONE BIT POLITICAL AND WHEN HE DECIDED TO LEAVE HIS OLD CLUB/FED HE CONTACTED  MRS LINDA BROOKES AT THE SHU OFFICE AND ASKED IF IT WOULD BE OK TO DO THIS  AND THAT HIS RINGS ETC WOULD BE REGISTERED SHE TOLD HIM NO PROBLEM. BUT NOW 100% U TURN .

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

this problem is because a 3/4 hundred fanciers left the shu and joined the rpra as they were not happy with the way the shu was being run ,my mate big murdo was a member of the shu till this year ,there was a lot of politcal fighting in his club/fed so he joined my club/fed  an rpra one and resigned from his shu club ,so the shu is taking the hump and playing funny beggers with the members that leave ,WHY SHOULD I OR ANYONE ELSE PAY A FEE TO A UNION THAT TREATS FANCIERS THIS WAY? PS THIS FANCIER MR JOHN MURDOCH IS NOT ONE BIT POLITICAL AND WHEN HE DECIDED TO LEAVE HIS OLD CLUB/FED HE CONTACTED  MRS LINDA BROOKES AT THE SHU OFFICE AND ASKED IF IT WOULD BE OK TO DO THIS  AND THAT HIS RINGS ETC WOULD BE REGISTERED SHE TOLD HIM NO PROBLEM. BUT NOW 100% U TURN .

 

 

then surely need to take the union to court as its clearly discriminative , but then you'l say we wont do that but they are clearly treating scotish r.p.r.a members different which has to be discrimination, but if no-ones going to do it then its either pay up and change there rules from within or take them to court but i do feel there is an injustice thats clear as if i transfered a Scotish pigeon it would be registered to me

[hotrod]

 

then surely need to take the union to court as its clearly discriminative , but then you'l say we wont do that but they are clearly treating scotish r.p.r.a members different which has to be discrimination, but if no-ones going to do it then its either pay up and change there rules from within or take them to court but i do feel there is an injustice thats clear as if i transfered a Scotish pigeon it would be registered to me

THEY WONT REPORT LOST PIGEONS TO HIM EITHER, HE HAS HAD ONE REPORTED TO THE ORIGONAL OWNER MR CARL GRUENTHER  DUMFRIES ,WHEN HE SENT FOR IT HE REALISED THAT IT WAS SOLD AT A SALE AND BIG MURDO BOUGHT IT WHEN HIS WIFE PHONED THE SHU THEY TOLD HER IT WAS BECAUSE MURDO WAS NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THEIR UNION ,SO SAD   , SO HOW MANY MORE HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE SHU BELONGING TO MURDO THAT THEY HAVE NOT PASSED ON ,I KNOW OF ONE OTHER TO A NON MEMBER IN WALES SHE PHONED THE SHU AND THEY TOLD HER THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO OWNED IT SO SHE PASSED IT TO A FANCIER WHO PHONED THE SHU AND DEMANDED TO KNOW WHO OWNED IT SO THEY RELENTED ,THIS IS FACT, NAME AND PHONE NUMBERS IF REQUIRED, IF ANYONE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM 1ST HAND WHAT THE SHU TOLD THEM

 

 

[ALF]

why is it the SHU wont transfer SU rung birds to your name if your not a member of the SHU .ie a n/a number (non affiliated)

 

I think this should be brought up by an SHU delegate at a council meeting to get what is hapenning clarified as to why they wont transfer the pigeons ( which to me is wrong ) and why do they not return the money??

[OLDYELLOW]

THEY WONT REPORT LOST PIGEONS TO HIM EITHER, HE HAS HAD ONE REPORTED TO THE ORIGONAL OWNER MR CARL GRUENTHER  DUMFRIES ,WHEN HE SENT FOR IT HE REALISED THAT IT WAS SOLD AT A SALE AND BIG MURDO BOUGHT IT WHEN HIS WIFE PHONED THE SHU THEY TOLD HER IT WAS BECAUSE MURDO WAS NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THEIR UNION ,SO SAD   , SO HOW MANY MORE HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE SHU BELONGING TO MURDO THAT THEY HAVE NOT PASSED ON ,I KNOW OF ONE OTHER TO A NON MEMBER IN WALES SHE PHONED THE SHU AND THEY TOLD HER THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO OWNED IT SO SHE PASSED IT TO A FANCIER WHO PHONED THE SHU AND DEMANDED TO KNOW WHO OWNED IT SO THEY RELENTED ,THIS IS FACT, NAME AND PHONE NUMBERS IF REQUIRED, IF ANYONE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM 1ST HAND WHAT THE SHU TOLD THEM

 

 

total dispicable just ensure all birds bought in are R.P.R.A rings on them   and the R.P.R.A ruling is if you dont retrieve strays you can be defaulted , but no chance if wont report them