PLEASE READ THIS!!

[Tony C]

I would think a barrister could rip to shreds 95% of all the rules we fly under. We the fanciers write out these rules and put them in as propositions, we'll soon be having to put any propositions before a lawyer before our own clubs to make sure we've left no loopholes.

 

Kin joke.

[gangster]

I would think a barrister could rip to shreds 95% of all the rules we fly under. We the fanciers write out these rules and put them in as propositions, we'll soon be having to put any propositions before a lawyer before our own clubs to make sure we've left no loopholes.

 

Kin joke.

 

i agree tony it is getting to that point for sure

[Guest frank dooman]

I would think a barrister could rip to shreds 95% of all the rules we fly under. We the fanciers write out these rules and put them in as propositions, we'll soon be having to put any propositions before a lawyer before our own clubs to make sure we've left no loopholes.

 

Kin joke.

 

exactly tony thats a fact thats what happens when the big boys flash the cash justace will have nothing to do with it and we cant even use common sence

[pjc]

I would think a barrister could rip to shreds 95% of all the rules we fly under. We the fanciers write out these rules and put them in as propositions, we'll soon be having to put any propositions before a lawyer before our own clubs to make sure we've left no loopholes.

 

Kin joke.

 

If i'm not mistaken the RPRA paid thousands for lawyers to go over rule book a few years ago and then started to change them at the next meetings!

[Flyer]

the pads were on an aviery attached 2 a different loft?? not the loft the birds raced and lived in

 

do the birds go into the aviery, clocked then into there loft or do they land ON the aviery and clocked then enter the aviery/loft.

[Tony C]

 

If i'm not mistaken the RPRA paid thousands for lawyers to go over rule book a few years ago and then started to change them at the next meetings!

 

Remember it, think it was in the region of 40k.

[pjc]

 

Remember it, think it was in the region of 40k.

 

that was another good use of our money  :-/

[Guest frank dooman]

 

Remember it, think it was in the region of 40k.

 

law people looking over anything are only oppinions it doesnt become law untill its been through a court and just like us on here we are all entilted to our own oppinion so doing that is a complete waste of money this region took the easy way out so as not to cost there members a load of cash right or wrong you will have to make up your own mind on that but it now leaves the whole situation open to abuse and thats wrong but will the club that is concerned take it to appeal to the union???? i think not for the same reason

[ch pied]

I take it the region are to lodge an appeal  with the council ;D ;D ;D

[jacksafc]

I suspect theres more to this than meets the eye, is this maybe a common aviary to several lofts and al birds enter through the same trap then fly to the respective lofts.

This isnt just "any" aviary because obviously the birds always land there to enter the loft.

No ones going to locate a pad on any aviary or even roof on the off chance a bird might land there.

[micko and jack]

good for your Mick you just opened A BIG CAN OF WORMS but sure thats you all over causing trouble haha there maybe troubles a head

now not a racing fancier I'm maybe not the right person to comment on this

but its an open thread so here's what I think for what its worth

 

I thought the pad was to BE IN THE LOFT AND ON THE LOFT SIDE OF THE BOB WIRES that way the birds are in THE LOFT landing on an aviary timing in and THEN flying to its OWN LOFT doesn't sound right and in good sportsmanship to me and if I clocked a second or 2 behind him I wouldn't be happy maybe if you had a farm lets say and I put one loft lets say 12 miles infront of the other but still on my land and the birds landed and were timed on the first loft then flew 12 miles to their own loft now would that be fair I don't think so 12 miles 12 yards the same thing

birds should be timed to ITS OWN LOFT

my thoughts for what its worth but as I said I don't race just don't think it fair to other fanciers and un-sportly                                                                            

[celtic]

i don't understand why the birds are flying too another loft that they don't live in ?

[Guest spin cycle]

 

A bird can be clocked manualy if it flys to you on the lawn, so this wouldn't work either!

 

true....but the bird must be caught and so 'be under control'....thus ets pads need to be placed so the bird ,in theory, could be caught manually. at least this would be less ambiguos JMO

[holmsidelofts]

good for your Mick you just opened A BIG CAN OF WORMS but sure thats you all over causing trouble haha there maybe troubles a head

now not a racing fancier I'm maybe not the right person to comment on this

but its an open thread so here's what I think for what its worth

 

I thought the pad was to BE IN THE LOFT AND ON THE LOFT SIDE OF THE BOB WIRES that way the birds are in THE LOFT landing on an aviary timing in and THEN flying to its OWN LOFT doesn't sound right and in good sportsmanship to me and if I clocked a second or 2 behind him I wouldn't be happy maybe if you had a farm lets say and I put one loft lets say 12 miles infront of the other but still on my land and the birds landed and were timed on the first loft then flew 12 miles to their own loft now would that be fair I don't think so 12 miles 12 yards the same thing

birds should be timed to ITS OWN LOFT

my thoughts for what its worth but as I said I don't race just don't think it fair to other fanciers and un-sportly                                                                            

 

No the rule states that the pad must be in the confines of the loft of trap, not under a landing board, theres no rule to even say bob wires have to be used and theres no rule that says that the birds once clocked must be confined to the loft as some people think. the trap can consist of a sputnik, a supertrap or any type of trap that the bird has to go through as long as that pad isnt under the landing board outside the trap theres nothing wrong, you can have the pad on the floor of a sputnik, even though the sputnik is outside the loft its still within the confines of the trap.

The problem that the rpra have done is not set things out the rule with photos of what traps are acceptable, we all read things differently and one persons understanding will be different to another, in a court of law the rpra wouldnt stand a chance based upon the information they give us  as fanciers regarding the ets rule.

 

 

[Roland]

i don't understand why the birds are flying too another loft that they don't live in ?

 

Mine do. Like I.B. ALL my birds trap into one corridor then sort out their compartments ... besides never having to relocate another trapping for them latter it saves a £100 on another padd not having to by.

Gosh before I closed down two comparments ththey were 20 odd feet away from their cmpartment .... But all trapped into the same first passage.

[blackswan]

ban this ets it has just brought a lot of trouble,

[walterbmasson]

 

 

what does it matter where the pads are i would not chance putting them on top of an avery ive missed the bl---y things going over the pad your down to splitting hairs remember the first thing the birds has got to come home and i always think some one trying to get one over an other fancier will always be the looser [ but its very easy to remedy this pad problem do it with in the club get them sealed by club members then check them at any time and no squabling about it ]

[blackswan]

ban this ets it has just brought a lot of trouble,

 

 

[clayton moore]

Name the person responsible.Explain how his Barrister won the case.Ensure this loophole is closed.

[Guest anthony]

[ but its very easy to remedy this pad problem do it with in the club get them sealed by club members then check them at any time and no squabling about it ] Thats exactly what we did here in Malta,but we found that since there is an extra plug from the pad,one can still use another mobile pad.

Lately I was wacthen a DVD concerning one of the best fanciers at the time and you know what? when he was showing his birds coming from the race the pads were ALL on the landing board before the bob wires,infact one of his birds even missed the pad and went thru the loft without beeing clocked

[dwh]

Name the person responsible.Explain how his Barrister won the case.Ensure this loophole is closed.

 

there is no loophole under present ruling having just read previous replys how many men actually trap into the section they live in this bloke has trained his ybs to trap to that pad position  as we train ours to trap to where we want all he's down is designed his loft to suit ets. does he trap old birds to the same pad ?

if you watch the schaelekens dvd his pads are actually on the dropping board!

all this carry  on about pad position and as 4 banning it rubbish people will always look 4 the advantage sputnicks were an advantage over open doors te bird is caught in the trap and the rubber removed without grabbing the bird horses 4 courses.at the end of the day its down to the fancier to get the bird in the best condition to arrive first on raceday   

[Guest spin cycle]

IMO this fancier is within the rules. since the rpra abandoned 'uniform' clocking in exchange for 'approved' there has been no 'level playing field'. when i was agruing for a time penalty for ets users...i was told that 'you still have to get the birds home' and ,if this is true,  this fancier deserves to win because he got them home first.

[lightning fast]

Lets say you could put a ets pad on your roof say 12" by 5" . How on earth do you thinkl your bird will land on it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D