Walter swanston Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 This morning there are two or it might be three transporters at the same race point on the South coast of England.Those vehicles are at half or maybe quarter capacity.For many years I have expounded the view that there should be more cooperation between Federations so as to resolve this apparently wasteful situation.I have now began to change my mind over this as the transport authorities (I am not sure of their correct)name have more or less agreed to turn a blind eye to any requirement for pigeon organisations to require an operators licence, use a tachograph or restrict driver's hours on the reasonable grounds that a pigeon Federation is not a commercial profit seeking outfit.However.should a Federation agree to convey another organisation's birds and charge a fee for doing so it could be claimed that the Federation is operating for hire or reward and thus lose the protection previously enjoyed.Do other site members have an opinion on this?
geordie1234 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 No chance of joint convoying when cumbria and solway refused to lib at the same time as lanarkshire this morning
JohnQuinn Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 No chance of joint convoying when cumbria and solway refused to lib at the same time as lanarkshire this morning Wisnae Solway George, think Raymond White was all for it, IT WAS OTHERS WHO REJECTED THE JOINT LIB.
geordie1234 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Wisnae Solway George, think Raymond White was all for it, IT WAS OTHERS WHO REJECTED THE JOINT LIB.Yes he was up for it and the powers above blocked it...canny mind the cumbria guys name that was mentioned
Tony C Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 This morning there are two or it might be three transporters at the same race point on the South coast of England.Those vehicles are at half or maybe quarter capacity.For many years I have expounded the view that there should be more cooperation between Federations so as to resolve this apparently wasteful situation.I have now began to change my mind over this as the transport authorities (I am not sure of their correct)name have more or less agreed to turn a blind eye to any requirement for pigeon organisations to require an operators licence, use a tachograph or restrict driver's hours on the reasonable grounds that a pigeon Federation is not a commercial profit seeking outfit.However.should a Federation agree to convey another organisation's birds and charge a fee for doing so it could be claimed that the Federation is operating for hire or reward and thus lose the protection previously enjoyed.Do other site members have an opinion on this?If it were to be a joint liberation where all birds are competing against each other (an open) you could argue your not conveying another fed for hire or reward.
JohnQuinn Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Yes he was up for it and the powers above blocked it...canny mind the cumbria guys name that was mentioned Was it Buchanan George??
geordie1234 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Was it Buchanan George??Canny mind mate it was half five this morning in davies hoose we were collecting doos for a toss... I was half asleep Ps. I saw first hand what work davy puts in the phone was never away from his ear
JohnQuinn Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Canny mind mate it was half five this morning in davies hoose we were collecting doos for a toss... I was half asleep Ps. I saw first hand what work davy puts in the phone was never away from his ear Aye he was on the phone for 4 hours solid last night trying to get agreement on joint lib, also talking to other organisations about their lib times etc, trying to limit as far as is possible any clashing en route. He puts the same work in every week too trying to secure good racing for us.
SCOTLAND Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Surely the decision to liberate with another organisation should be taken before the race not at the race point. It would have suited me for it to have been a Fed race with each Fed taken part,but too many people thinking of their self and not the Sport. jmo
greenlands Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 We've tried for a lot of years to get Derwent Valley and West Cumbria to liberate together. NFC and that doesn't mean National flying club.It's just now when thing's have gone tits up that they have formed a Two Feds Amal.and there's still some not happy.Good to see fanciers letting each other know what's going on.Lindsay C.
Flat out Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 This morning there are two or it might be three transporters at the same race point on the South coast of England.Those vehicles are at half or maybe quarter capacity.For many years I have expounded the view that there should be more cooperation between Federations so as to resolve this apparently wasteful situation.I have now began to change my mind over this as the transport authorities (I am not sure of their correct)name have more or less agreed to turn a blind eye to any requirement for pigeon organisations to require an operators licence, use a tachograph or restrict driver's hours on the reasonable grounds that a pigeon Federation is not a commercial profit seeking outfit.However.should a Federation agree to convey another organisation's birds and charge a fee for doing so it could be claimed that the Federation is operating for hire or reward and thus lose the protection previously enjoyed.Do other site members have an opinion on this?If they seek payment from any other club or fed then they need opp licence even if it is small amount to help with fuel etc
gulkie Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 Wisnae Solway George, think Raymond White was all for it, IT WAS OTHERS WHO REJECTED THE JOINT LIB.A shower of fekkin children why don't they grow up an see the benefits joint convoying would Bring, no wonder our sport / hobby is dying a death.
frankdooman Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 This has been the big prob. For years as said all that should have been arranged before a bird went on the transporter every controller wants what's best for his fed and wee go on about liberating some birds and not others from a vech. Yet when u get to the likes of Maidstone wee know the transporters can be just feet apart and birds liberated so where's the difference yes I agree it's best all to go together but that's pigeon fanciers for you
knoxjn Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 happened with us ate the last two old bird races from Newark and peterbro its pathetic the birds have no idea about the petty sqabbles of idiots
JOHNSEE Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 No chance of joint convoying when cumbria and solway refused to lib at the same time as lanarkshire this morning Had it been Fife,Dundee.Angus&Aberdeen federations at the same race point as Lanarkshire,would you still be wanting a joint liberation.? dont think so.......JBC/..
geordie1234 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Had it been Fife,Dundee.Angus&Aberdeen federations at the same race point as Lanarkshire,would you still be wanting a joint liberation.? dont think so.......JBC/.. Cumbria and solway flying in the same direction from Bedhampton thats the difference
JOHNSEE Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Bit of a daft point mate Cumbria and solway flying in the same direction from Bedhampton thats the difference I believe the difference is that Lanarkshire federation was the furthest north,no chance of their birds following the drag past,like the possibility that Solway and Cumbria birds may have done,I.M.O......JBC/..
tambla51 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 happened with us ate the last two old bird races from Newark and peterbro its pathetic the birds have no idea about the petty sqabbles of idiotsWho the fcks the idiot's,u dae ur thing and we will do our thing our members have no problems with liberating our selves end of.
knoxjn Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 the doos come first end off the you do your thing and we will do ours is exactly what I am on about pathetic
tambla51 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 Who's he pathetic one I am not doing awe the moaning.get a life.
Walter swanston Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Posted June 22, 2014 Gentlemen, this post is NOT about the advantages and disadvantages of joint convoying and liberating.It is about keeping within the regulations relating to our vehicles while on the road should our drivers encounter an over zealous law enforcement officer or even worse be involved in an accident which attracts the attention of the authorities .Either of these scenarios could result in a substantial fine for Federations.
knoxjn Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 haven't got a problem with that mate cheers for calling me a gentleman that's a new one lol
peter pandy Posted June 22, 2014 Report Posted June 22, 2014 This morning there are two or it might be three transporters at the same race point on the South coast of England.Those vehicles are at half or maybe quarter capacity.For many years I have expounded the view that there should be more cooperation between Federations so as to resolve this apparently wasteful situation.I have now began to change my mind over this as the transport authorities (I am not sure of their correct)name have more or less agreed to turn a blind eye to any requirement for pigeon organisations to require an operators licence, use a tachograph or restrict driver's hours on the reasonable grounds that a pigeon Federation is not a commercial profit seeking outfit.However.should a Federation agree to convey another organisation's birds and charge a fee for doing so it could be claimed that the Federation is operating for hire or reward and thus lose the protection previously enjoyed.Do other site members have an opinion on this? Walter their should not be a problem where the entire birdage on a transporter is divided by all the costs involved, ie, Fuel, Convoyer/Driver, Ferrying etc. An example is the transporter has 4365 birds on board and the total race costs are £657 equating to 15 Pence per pigeon. Individual accounts are then sent to Federations Sec's for payment. Their is no operating for hire or reward therefore tachographs or operators license is not required. I worked this situation when Fed Sec and joint convoyed other Feds whenever posible to the satisfaction of all concerned.
Walter swanston Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Posted June 22, 2014 OK that seems reasonable enough Peter but I am still not so sure.A transporter is the property of a number of pigeon fanciers banded together in a Federation to pursue their joint hobby/sport of racing pigeons and as such does not attract the attention of the authorities.However if one crate of pigeons is on that vehicle which is not owned by the Federation members this has a fundamental change in the operation
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